Hobby Lobby intends to defy Obamacare

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  1. itpdude

    itpdude New Member

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    First off, The Pelican would say Hobby Lobby is full of a bunch of religious nut-bags for wanting to defy Obamacare. . . . there's the Stern tie-in.

    In a nutshell, Hobby Lobby intends to defy Obamacare's provision that they provide health insurance plans to its employees that includes the morning-after pill. Hobby Lobby doesn't want to be part of anything that "induces abortion." http://www.newser.com/story/160005/hobby-lobby-we-intend-to-defy-obamacare.html

    Quick disclosure: I personally think the US government should fund abortion clinics, give out free morning-after pills, free IUD's, the whole bit. I have no problem with abortion. There should be more of them in my opinion.

    That said, in what is supposed to be a free country, shouldn't it be the prerogative of individuals and businesses whether they want to participate explicitly in a program they find reprehensible? What victory is it for freedom, the freedom to live your life according to your values, when the US government wants to force a company to provide a type of health-insurance they believe to be evil?

    Sure, we all pay taxes that go to shit we despise but it's nothing explicit. There is no line item in our taxes paid that reads, "War on Drugs tax" or "bombing a shit-berg country half-a-world-away tax."

    Am I out of line here to think forcing a business to participate in what it considers morally wrong? Yes, the Hobby Lobby is probably coming from a religious angle on this issue, but what's wrong with that? Isn't one of the bedrocks of the US the freedom of religion? Even if one considers religious expression silly, think of it from the opposite: What if the US government explicitly forced a atheist-run business to fund a church? Say there was a provision of Obamacare that forced businesses to provide health insurance that covers religious consultation to the sick?

    It all flies in the face of what I personally consider freedom. What say you?
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    Forcing people to violate everything they hold dear at gun point is what freedom is all about.
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    Ha ha ha, love it. Your one sentence pretty much illustrates the ridiculousness of it all.
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    FishySausage Original Nuttah VIP

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    Like you said, tax money goes to lots of things I don't agree with.
    These freaks are not going to stop abortions. Just shut up already.
    Also, morning after pills are not "abortions". How bout learning a little science, tards?
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    I thought the hobby lobby is where people wait in order to have a meeting with the CEO of Model Builders of America.

    I thought that. I really truly did.
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    it's all nonsense.

    dude, just sell me a cool remote control helicopter
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    So if they have a different opinion, they are "freaks" and "tards"? And liberals love to call Conservatives close-minded.
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    I think I had a Hobby Lobby doll when I was little.

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    If they don't want to take the morning after pill they don't have to, they are just being cunts.
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    Those things really are cool
  11. itpdude

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    I don't think they believe they can stop abortions. They simply don't want to so directly participate, even if it is in the form of a morning-after pill.

    You illustrate the hypocrisy of so many. I'm certainly not a conservative or Republican, vote Green most the time, and have to say that requiring a business to explicitly participate in something they believe to be morally wrong is troubling.

    Would you want to be forced, if you owned a business, to participate in one of those ludicrous faith-based abstinence programs as part of Obamacare?

    I mean, it's not like you are going to stop ludicrous faith-based abstinence programs whether you participate or not, so what's the biggie?
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    Yes as a matter of fact. Liberals with extreme views are tards
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    I'm a socialist so I can speak fairly intimately on the subject of the Left hypocritically thinking they are so open-minded. It's a fucking joke. The Right calls the Left unpatriotic or communist and the Left calls the Right a bunch of freaks and tards.

    It's a whole thing and it's disgusting. What the hell is wrong with holding to your convictions? It takes more courage for, say, the Hobby Lobby to defy the federal government on principle that it does for some Ivory-Tower type to make a movie about killing Nazis, yet those Ivory-Tower types are heralded for their "courage" while the "freaks" and "tards" are marginalized.

    It's a sad thing for this Leftist to witness a movement that attacks values and personal choices that are illiberal.
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    I am morally opposed to my tax money funding the violent deaths of hundred of thousands of people around the world. Yet that's the way it's spent.
    I am morally opposed to my tax money subsidizing oil companies. Yet that's how it's spent.
    And for your information, tax money HAS gone to abstinence programs, to laughable results BTW.
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    This...


    The prevailing opinion within the retail community (as well as much of Hobby Lobby itself) is that the Hobby Lobby CEO is a self righteous grandstanding prick who treats his people pretty poorly. This is less about the morning after pill and more about his hatred for Obama.


    Clearly this isn't about principles or freedom as the morning after pill is legal and each of his employees would have the right to decide. If he defies the ruling, he basically is saying "I know it's legal and you have the freedom to choose, but I'm not allowing it to be paid for as part of the health insurance plan". That's a clear obstruction of people's freedom.
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    if business paid extra tax in general so the gov. could directly pay the cost, then it would be fine?

    why are they hiring immoral people to work for them that would need this? :rolleye:
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    I agree with you and maybe this is a fine-point, but the tax-dollars spent on US imperialism, while wrong and morally repugnant, were not explicitly line-itemed on our federal taxes. There is no line that on a 1040 that says, "tax for US imperialism."

    There is a specific provision of Obamacare that goes to the morning-after pill. It's the explicitness of the act that rankles me.

    And justifying an unjust provision by citing other injustices is terrible. Why not justify not prosecuting a murderer because another murderer somehow escaped prosecution? That's a baffling justification.
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    I guess maybe if it was actually about principles, I may be inclined to agree at some level.

    But this is a clear and simple act of cowardess and self importance from the head of Hobby Lobby.
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    Is the CEO barring any employee now, or is he planning to bar any employee in the future, from taking the morning-after pill?

    No. Therefore it is not an obstruction of freedom.

    Under your logic, if you lock the doors to your house, you are obstructing the freedom of others to enter your house.
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    I'm going to take my GF to Hobby Lobby and fuck her on one of the counters to show my thanks........

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