I kinda understand all the hatred and anger among the fans now

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  1. renchfrieswith

    renchfrieswith Active Member VIP

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    I've recently been listening to old shows from 1995, 1996 and 2007 and 2008. I noticed that especially during the 90's, Howard was way more brutal.

    Being funny was clearly the most important thing there and he didn't gave a shit about the fact that he constantly offended almost everyone. I've had some genuine hard laughs when he talked about NIN's song "Hurt" that just came out then in '95. He told us to think about morbid stuff and he named some things as examples. There was some hard-core, dark, and sometimes downright racist shit in there, and it was funny as hell. Jackie's goofy laugh in the background adds a lot more to the whole thing than I thought. Also the way he goes off at callers is just crazy sometimes, and it's almost always funny.

    Then fast forward to the Artie years. I notice a much more mellow Howard here, and Artie is the one starting/creating the controversy and funny most of the time. Howard goes along with it most times and often makes it funnier. They still talk about "group of lovely people" and "faggots" here, which is almost automatically funny, because it's automatically offensive to a lot of people. Artie's goofing and fighting with High Pitch Mike is absolute comedy gold. Sal and Richard also have a way bigger role in here. Sal's "I wanna beat my wife" (based on Bon Jovi's "It's my life") song almost made me piss my pants. Comedy still seems to be the most important thing here. It's not a PC show at all.

    Now compared to today's show. Howard has mellowed out a lot more and there's no other guy there to really get into the no-holds-barred funny stuff. And when it does happen with Bigfoot Jr. who calls Eric the Midget a faggot, Howard almost apologizes for it. It still pisses me off that Eric the Midget is no longer called Eric the Midget. He is at his best when he gets goofed on, and Artie was also very good at doing that. Most interviews are fantastic if he has an interesting guest in there. I'll admit I skipped a couple of them, and I also skipped through a lot of AGT talk. That whole deal was horrible for the show.

    Every now and then in today's show, though, Howard makes me laugh very hard. The Howard Stern show is still the best radio show I've come across so far. Especially when I compare it to the kind of radio we have here in the Netherlands. It's the most boring, lame shit you can imagine. It's either top-40 radio, techno or news radio. No comedy and not even rock anymore. We have one or two DJ's who are supposed to be funny working the hit radio stations, but they aren't funny. They're fucking lame.

    I'm still a fan of Howard and I admire his career very much. But I also understand why fans of Howard from the 90's don't like the current show.

    I also understand it from Howard's standpoint. He doesn't need to conquer anything anymore, he doesn't need to beat anyone anymore, he's the king of radio and he has been that for over two decades. Not to mention a successful movie and a couple of bestsellers on top of that. I mean, be honest, that's a very impressive level of success. He's also clearly a dark guy with psychological problems and he seems to be getting his shit together on some level. He has a big-ass house and he has a much younger wife. Who can honestly blame him for mellowing out after all these years? Good for him, I wish him the best. It's been an insane career so far.


    But I do agree that evil Howard makes better, funnier radio.

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  2. Herc

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    I've always understood the anger . . . :coffee:
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    renchfrieswith Active Member VIP

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    Well I just started listening less than two years ago.
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    Herc New Member

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    Listen to the 90's (Jackie Years) and your anger will grow by leaps and bounds . . . :yes:
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    Pembroke36 New Member VIP

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    This is a great clip.
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    when i read the title i thought "i don't hate stern" but thinking further, i remember so many times when he or the horse put out some nonsense tweets or lies or HS lies on the show and i think in that moment "i hate them so much" so i guess i do hate them.
  7. DogStar69

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    He's just no honest about anything anymore and now there are so many lies he can't keep them straight. He must also be ashamed of his lifestyle because he doesn't talk about it anymore. not that I listen :dadance:


    Has any other famous person turned loyal fans into people that hate you more than Stern?
  8. TelegramSam

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    renchfrieswith, let me say first that as an American who has traveled in Europe, you have my sympathies. My two cents on European radio, and really television and film as well, is that Europe has really stagnated with political correctness after WWII. My point being that unless you're a German who supports the neo-nazi movement or its ideals, or at the worst had an ancestor who was a Nazi and profited from it, you shouldn't have to be ashamed of your culture. It's as if you have to constantly downplay the glories of western civilization (and sometimes out and out ignore history, especially of the Roman empire and what territories were conquered and forcibly converted to Islam by Muslims). It's easy to buy into the hype that the West has been the bully of history, but the truth is that were it not for the Crusades, Spain, Portugal, southern France, Sicily, and most of the Italian islands would still be ruled by conquering Arab armies. And even with the Crusades, the eastern Roman empire fell.

    As someone who is half Armenian I can tell you that the Turks are not even 1 tenth of one millionth of a percent willing to admit that they committed the Armenian genocide and took most of our homeland and have no problem airing outright racist and jingoistic programming on their radio and tv. Go ask the Turks if they plan to build an Armenian genocide memorial, and see how fast they arrest you for insulting Turkishness. I spent a lot of time in France, and whenever I asked anyone about their cultural malaise they were just puzzled and basically said "Oh no, it was all just evil Christians conquering Muslims and we have to be ashamed of that and WWII forever while embracing total political correctness and secularization." The Scandinavians are far worse than your people, though, when it comes to that. I wouldn't go back to Scandinavia at gunpoint.

    Anyway, as to Howard, the show still isn't necessarily horrible, it's just a shell of what it was. That, and a lot of us longtime fans feel betrayed because of the way that he has treated his staff, particularly Jackie and Billy West, though maybe we should have seen it coming all along? If you have listened to the end of the Artie Addiction Saga, and heard the now classic "Not My Bro" fight, you should have an idea. I don't feel as bad for Jackie because he still makes money as a stand up and seems to have a good life, but I don't think I can ever forgive Howard for how he treated Artie.
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  9. John Smith

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    It's enough to make you want to commit a heinous crime against that penny pinching Jew Bastard. He really fucked us all over when he let Jackie get away. Then came Artie...I admit that I didn't like Artie at first, but the fat ginny grew on me. Then by the end when Artie was bragging about making 70K per stand up appearance, I hated him again. This current incarnation of the HSS is a fucking joke. Bobo's Treasure Trade was in the top 5 segments of the year. That is rigoddamndiculous.
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    not really on topic, but i didnt want to start a new thread, but the most annoying thing i've been listening to in the old shows is howard preaching about finance to his employees. it's so insulting. dude was 30 and already making cash. acts like he ever had any money issues.
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    I've heard better end-of-year countdowns from Dick Clark on New Year's after the stroke.
  13. Lou Skunt

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    No doubt, you could go to any major market and find more funny bits by the local morning zoo people. It is pure laziness.
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    Great clip. So simple, yet so funny. Fred playing a sound bite of Jackie laughing, Howard pretending it's really Jackie laughing, Gilbert cracking up over the inappropriate laughter and then joining in and everyone just going with it and having fun. As soon as they mention Jack Kevorkian in this clip I smiled because I knew something funny was coming because that is the way the show used to be. Robins news used to be one of the best parts of the show because it gave a chance to freestyle...anything and everything from real opinions, to crazy opinions, to inappropriate jokes, impressions, and whatever until it was finally time to end it.

    Fast forward to today and Howard doing Live Reads, followed by "anything else Robin?",

    and a couple of years ago.......Howard, Robin, and Gary saying Gilbert wasn't sitting in on the news anymore because "who needs him interrupting all the time". :facepalm:
    It used to be like a Western. ;)

    It's not even the same show anymore.
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    The biggest disappointment to me apart from the now politically correct Howard Stern is that for months he told his listeners over and over, show after show that he had nothing to gain from the Sirius / XM merger when he knew perfectly well he was going to get a $25,000,000 merger bonus plus another $300,000,000 for the additional subscribers.

    A lot of the other shit pales into insignificance when compared to that lie.
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  16. TelegramSam

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    That is an excellent point, and probably the biggest example of Howard ripping off his fans. Looking back, it set up perfectly for him: put your last bit of effort into doing good shows to get this done and get your money, then you can just throw Artie on the garbage heap and say "I piss on my fans!" while enjoying your cash. I still think the Artie thing is the worst, though... I mean, Howard didn't ruin my life or any fan's life, he just ripped us off and lied to us. But what he did to Artie, man, if there is a hell I'd say that's something that could cause you to end up there.
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    Like a Western
    The last great Gilbert appearance...
    the last great Robin News segment before total evolution of the Stern show :jj:

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  18. Jim Lahey

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    Good post - I have been a fan for 20 years but because of the towns I lived in, I was never able to hear shows until Sirius. The first Sirius years up until Artie got stabbed were pretty awesome in my view - your mileage may vary when listening back to the Jackie and NBC years.

    I too am surprised at the amount of anger that I have towards Wiggy and the other fuckheads. I thought I understood that people grow apart, and sometimes your buddies get married and settle down while you're still out partying every night and if that were the case I'd be cool with that. But I blame Wiggy for intentionally mailing it in ever since the new contract to "protest" his presumed paycut and for that he, in my opinion, deserves every bit of the anger and hatred coming his way.

    Howard: You took a pay cut. Just admit it and admit that you'd rather play dress up and attend soirees than rag Al Sharpton and we'll all be cool with you. You're fooling no one except yourself, the Monkey and the skeleton crew over at Mutts. You are Baba Wawa with a penis; just accept that and we'll all move on amicably. What you are NOT is the honest and insightful Everyman you used to be and by living in denial about this you're only embarrassing yourself and your legacy.
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    it's all his new hampton friends, and other celebrity friends, oh howard its not cool to say fag, thats not cool, dont say Reggie that word is offensive, don't want to upset those new friends now, horsey not sucking off howard for nothing, she needs these hollywood friends
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    Only now you get it?

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