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Obama to GOP: I’m done negotiating with myself

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    Obama to GOP: I’m Done Negotiating With Myself

    Perhaps the key lesson the White House took from the last couple of years is this: Don’t negotiate with yourself. If Republicans want to cut Medicare, let them propose the cuts. If they want to raise revenue through tax reform, let them identify the deductions. If they want deeper cuts in discretionary spending, let them settle on a number. And, above all, if they don’t like the White House’s preferred policies, let them propose their own. That way, if the White House eventually does give in and agree to some of their demands, Republicans will feel like they got one over on the president. A compromise isn’t measured by what you offer, it’s measured by what the other side feels they made you concede.
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    who does the GOP love more, their party or the country?

    Fox: Krauthammer urges GOPers to ‘walk away’ from fiscal cliff talks & threaten to push economy into a recession

    On Fox News, Charles Krauthammer weighed in on the ‘fiscal cliff’ debate stating that the deal proposed by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner was ‘insulting,’ then went on to urge Republicans to threaten to push the economy into a recession by taking a dive off the fiscal cliff. Krauthammer is echoing Newt Gingrich and other GOP mouthpieces by declaring that they have leverage. For the record, leverage may not mean what they think it means.


    Krauthammer stated that Republicans, “ought to simply walk away.” While Republicans are saying that Democrats are not giving specifics, GOP lawmakers have yet to specify how much, or how they want to cut the programs.


    Krauthammer’s ‘specifics’ envelope Paul Ryan’s budget plan which is nothing new. Ryan’s plan has been slammed as being ‘cruel’. Speaking of offering nothing of substance, the Fox talker just offered a cruel budget — the same budget they keep bringing up which has been rejected by the American people who voted for President Obama, not Romney-Ryan. Obama won the electorate and the popular vote. Obama campaigned on tax revenue. The people have spoken. And that is leverage.
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    It's clear, especially after last year's debt-ceiling crisis, that the president now knows exactly how to negotiate with reckless, radicalized Republicans.
    Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner presented the House speaker, John A. Boehner, a detailed proposal on Thursday to avert the year-end fiscal crisis with $1.6 trillion in tax increases over 10 years, $50 billion in immediate stimulus spending, home mortgage refinancing and a permanent end to Congressional control over statutory borrowing limits.
    The proposal, loaded with Democratic priorities and short on detailed spending cuts, met strong Republican resistance. In exchange for locking in the $1.6 trillion in added revenues, President Obama embraced the goal of finding $400 billion in savings from Medicare and other social programs to be worked out next year, with no guarantees.


    For years, Obama hoped to strike deals by being conciliatory, starting with opening offers designed to satisfy Republican demands. These efforts repeatedly failed miserably, and only emboldened GOP leaders to demand agreements tilted heavily in their favor.

    Fine, the president is now saying. Let's start with an ambitious plan designed to make Democrats happy, and see how that works out. The days of preemptive concessions and negotiating from a defensive crouch are over.


    Republicans seemed stunned late yesterday while condemning Obama's offer, as if the president shouldn't have the audacity to present a plan he knows they won't like. But I'd remind GOP lawmakers that everything in Obama's proposal is consistent with his previous budget plans and the policies he presented to the public during the recent national campaign (which he won fairly easily).


    Indeed, Obama is acting like a confident, re-elected president who expects congressional Republicans to start moving in his direction, not the other way around. GOP leaders aren't accustomed to this dynamic, but it's probably time they adapt to their new surroundings.


    Throughout the recent negotiations, Republicans have said they want entitlement cuts, but they won't say which ones. Republicans have said they'll accept new revenue, but they won't say how or where the revenue would come from. Republicans have said they'll make concessions on deductions, but they won't say which ones. Republicans have said they expect deep spending cuts, but they've offered no specifics.

    As of this morning, there's one plan on the table, and it's Obama's. Boehner & Co. don't like it? Fine. Where's their competing plan?



    http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2...mbitious-progressive-debt-reduction-plan?lite


    the Republican standoff regarding the debt ceiling in 2011 is, to my knowledge, the first time that any party has actively threatened to make the US default on its debts, which resulted in the first time our credit rating as a nation has ever been downgraded. Since Republicans have proven that they're willing to hold the well-being of our country hostage to enact their agenda, we need to remove any possible tool they could use to hurt America, which means eliminating the debt ceiling. It was fine when politicians simply pointed to it to show their dissatisfaction with our national debt, but when they actually used it as a political tool to hurt our nation, that took things too far.
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    i was told theres a copay now for the medicare and its 30% of the visit for a specialist.
    so if youre poor youre better off working into your 90s and pissing everyone off.
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    Reading Maddow and Klein is like eating paint chips.
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    Berry isn't serious. the GOP should just walk away from negotiations
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    This pretty much sums it up.
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    What makes this situation even funnier is how little leverage Republicans have and they seem to be begging for even less.

    Why any of them would think that anyone outside their party will blame Obama for their stupidity is beyond me and I would think beyond anyone with a brain.
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    "Declaring that this time he won’t negotiate with himself, [Obama] has refused to lay out a proposal reflecting what he thinks Republicans want. Instead, he has demanded that Republicans themselves say, explicitly, what they want. And guess what: They can’t or won’t do it."

    It really seems to me that the GOP was completely unprepared to deal with a second-term Obama. They spent four years pouring all their effort into destroying him, and that failed to pan out on Nov 6. Now all they can do is play the same game they did before, but they're not playing against the same Obama. Obama needs to keep pushing them and keep the spotlight on them, make sure that everyone sees them flailing.

    I remember when this happened for the healthcare reform. Obama created an outline, and GOP was vehemently against it. He changed it to reflect their complaints, and they were vehemently against it. Every change to accommodate the GOP was met with massive amount of anger.

    I remember when republicans did release their own proposal, but it was very odd because there were no numbers or anything in it; just a bunch of talking points

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    So while the fiscal cliff is a bad thing from an economic point of view, it has had at least one salutary political effect. For it has finally laid bare the con that has always been at the core of the G.O.P.’s political strategy.

    They have no leader. Their party is in disarray. Their four year mission to unseat Obama has failed. They never had any real ideas from the beginning and now we see the result. Let them flail...it's about time we see them for who they really are. THEY STAND FOR NOTHING

    the only the thing the GOP represents the last four years is not allowing anything at all to get done.This is the doctrine they have adopted. Stop everything in the government from working. Then claim the government is broken. Obstructionism and "Starve the Beast" symbiosis at its finest. They lost the last election because of this doctrine as many people saw how little regard the GOP had for the overall good of the country during the debt ceiling debacle. The GOP would rather let the country burn than compromise.
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