Stand your ground vs. Duty to retreat

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  1. Lucky Pierre

    Lucky Pierre Well-Known Member

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    Trying to understand the logic behind this considering you've always had a right to self-defense however deadly force was to be used as a last resort.
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    Free the spic
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    well basically you don't have a blanket right to self-defense. in states without the stand your ground law you have the obligation to attempt to escape the situation rather than use deadly force, and even then that depends upon the common law deal in that state. in some states (like NJ) the common law says if you are inside your home and someone attacks you inside (and you are a guy) you can legally defend your home and family with deadly force without first exhausting all possible means to escape the situation (unless they changed it since the last time i looked, in NJ women do not have the right to defend their homes. so much for equality in the northeast).

    what this guy on jay thomas is talking about, is how he believes he can easily argue a jury to accept a self-defense claim.
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    he's going down hard. they charged him with second degree. i figure they want to feel out the case, and work on a plea bargain before using the threat of going for premeditated. i think they could get a murder 1 conviction because he's already admitted he assaulted the boy. the lawyers can easily make the case that the boy was made to feel threatened. after that, everything and anything else Trevon did is a direct result of Zimmerman's assault.
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    that seems reasonable

    like if you're in your car in a parking lot and some asshole is starting trouble with you and you have the option of simply turning the keys and driving off vs. rolling down your window and shooting the guy
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    Part of stand your ground is that you cannot provoke the incident

    I think zimmermans going to have a hard time with that
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    if he's smart zimmerman will accept the first plea bargain that is offered, so i think he's going to get a lethal injection.
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    They wouldn't even have pressed charges if he was a white guy. :coffee:
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    this case will never go to trial. he will be free within 3 months
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    the ni.. urban community will riot.
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    We are the knights who say, NI!!
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    that may be. but there isnt enough evidence to convict him. its his word against a dead guys word.

    the girlfriend is the only real witness, and her word wont mean shit
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    he's already admitted to assaulting the kid, and then killing him. he's convicted himself. i can't imagine a prosecutor would file a murder 2 charge if he didn;t think he could get it. losing visible cases is political suicide. also i bet the feds will charge him with either a hate crime, or a civil rights deal based upon his conversation with the police dispatcher.
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    this is the same county that was gonna get Casey Anthony on murder 1 charges
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    do you think they will let the world watch them fuck it up again?
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    yes. hes gonna claim self defense. the prosecutor has a political agenda right now. she messed up
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    i disagree

    prosecutors almost always over charge, this way they can coerce a defendant into taking a plea bargain or they can give the jury options
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    I'm calling for calm in the negro community.
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    Here in TX if anybody tries to remove you from your vehicle you can shoot them no questions asked.
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    but then again Zimmerman did have physical injuries which would show some sort of struggle

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