2014....Would we win a war against Russia?

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  1. Shithead

    Shithead Well-Known Member

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    One on one....No allies....I say we would be annihilated...We're such a bunch of pc, crybaby cunts who deserve our asses kicked back to the stoneage
     
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    Pickle Jar Well-Known Member

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    They have these things called Nuclear bombs and I think Russia might have some.
     
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    A Direct confrontation will not happen. We will never send millions of people to fight again. Small wars like Iraq and Afghanistan yes, but a war like ww1 and Ww2/will never happen aggain
     
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    Why do you hate the troops?
     
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    Shithead Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, that's what i said:nono:
     
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    guruhugz Well-Known Member

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    cockroaches would win
     
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    It depends on where the theater of war exists and how it starts.
    If it goes nuclear, we all lose.

    From a Naval perspective, the Russians had a bit of a tactical upper hand going into the Bush administration in 2000.
    The Russians super-cavitating torpedos are a huge part of their sub fleet.
    This is a technology that the US is just starting to get into.
    The Russians can, under the right circumstances, wipe out our entire Carrier fleet in a single sortie.
    The US currently has ZERO countermeasures or defense strategy against the current Shkval torpedo.
    It can reach speeds approaching 300 Knots SUBMERGED!

    If things devolve into a conventional ground war, we are toast.
    The pentagon is actually laying-off battlefiled commanders currently on deployment.
    Obama has been quietly forcing out brass who won't swallow his policy like tripe.
    Obama is committing some of the very same mistakes that led to Hitler's spectacular failure in WWII.

    You need to listen to your battlefield commanders.
    Obama doesn't want to do this so forces are divided and mis-allocated.
    This doesn't even include ridiculous rules of engagement that create static targets of our soldiers.
    The Russians don't fight this way.

    Putin won't make the mistakes that Obama is making.
    This will allow him to achieve his objectives with minimal loss of materiel and troops.
    This strategy will also make him a hero to the Russian people.

    Pray that other world leaders can contain Putin because it's clear that Obama is overmatched.
     
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    Let Isreal fight them.
     
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    Remley Well-Known Member

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    http://misguidedchildren.com/homela...-same-maj-gen-butler-and-the-mic-chapt-5/2468

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    Smedley Darlington Butler, Maj. Gen., USMC (July 30, 1881- June 21, 1940). Twice awarded the Medal of Honor, one of only three men to receive the Marine Corps Brevet Medal and the Medal of Honor, and the only marine to be awarded the Brevet Medal and two Medals of Honor, all for separate actions. At the time of his death, he was the most decorated Marine in the history of the Corps.

    In the fifth installment from Gen. Butler’s 1933 speech, War is a Racket, his summary is clear and to the point; as long as there is money to be made, there will be war.

    CHAPTER FIVE

    TO HELL WITH WAR!

    I am not a fool as to believe that war is a thing of the past. I know the people do not want war, but there is no use in saying we cannot be pushed into another war.

    Looking back, Woodrow Wilson was re-elected president in 1916 on a platform that he had “kept us out of war” and on the implied promise that he would “keep us out of war.” Yet, five months later he asked Congress to declare war on Germany.

    In that five-month interval the people had not been asked whether they had changed their minds. The 4,000,000 young men who put on uniforms and marched or sailed away were not asked whether they wanted to go forth to suffer and die.

    Then what caused our government to change its mind so suddenly?

    Money.

    An allied commission, it may be recalled, came over shortly before the war declaration and called on the President. The President summoned a group of advisers. The head of the commission spoke. Stripped of its diplomatic language, this is what he told the President and his group:


    “There is no use kidding ourselves any longer. The cause of the allies is lost. We now owe you (American bankers, American munitions makers, American manufacturers, American speculators, American exporters) five or six billion dollars.

    If we lose (and without the help of the United States we must lose) we, England, France and Italy, cannot pay back this money…and Germany won’t.

    So…”

    Had secrecy been outlawed as far as war negotiations were concerned, and had the press been invited to be present at that conference, or had radio been available to broadcast the proceedings, America never would have entered the World War. But this conference, like all war discussions, was shrouded in utmost secrecy. When our boys were sent off to war they were told it was a “war to make the world safe for democracy” and a “war to end all wars.”

    Well, eighteen years after, the world has less of democracy than it had then. Besides, what business is it of ours whether Russia or Germany or England or France or Italy or Austria live under democracies or monarchies? Whether they are Fascists or Communists? Our problem is to preserve our own democracy.

    And very little, if anything, has been accomplished to assure us that the World War was really the war to end all wars.

    Yes, we have had disarmament conferences and limitations of arms conferences. They don’t mean a thing. One has just failed; the results of another have been nullified. We send our professional soldiers and our sailors and our politicians and our diplomats to these conferences. And what happens?

    The professional soldiers and sailors don’t want to disarm. No admiral wants to be without a ship. No general wants to be without a command. Both mean men without jobs. They are not for disarmament. They cannot be for limitations of arms. And at all these conferences, lurking in the background but all-powerful, just the same, are the sinister agents of those who profit by war. They see to it that these conferences do not disarm or seriously limit armaments.

    The chief aim of any power at any of these conferences has not been to achieve disarmament to prevent war but rather to get more armament for itself and less for any potential foe.

    There is only one way to disarm with any semblance of practicability. That is for all nations to get together and scrap every ship, every gun, every rifle, every tank, every war plane. Even this, if it were possible, would not be enough.

    The next war, according to experts, will be fought not with battleships, not by artillery, not with rifles and not with machine guns. It will be fought with deadly chemicals and gases.

    Secretly each nation is studying and perfecting newer and ghastlier means of annihilating its foes wholesale. Yes, ships will continue to be built, for the shipbuilders must make their profits. And guns still will be manufactured and powder and rifles will be made, for the munitions makers must make their huge profits. And the soldiers, of course, must wear uniforms, for the manufacturer must make their war profits too.

    But victory or defeat will be determined by the skill and ingenuity of our scientists.

    If we put them to work making poison gas and more and more fiendish mechanical and explosive instruments of destruction, they will have no time for the constructive job of building greater prosperity for all peoples. By putting them to this useful job, we can all make more money out of peace than we can out of war – even the munitions makers.

    So…I say, TO HELL WITH WAR.

    Smedley Darlington Butler

    Major General – United States Marine Corps [Retired]
     
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    I wouldn't bet on that.
     
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    Dreamking The dogs of doom are howlin' low...

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    That same view was held by both the Germans and Japanese prior to WWII. And you see how that turned out.

    The worst bet you can make is against a united America. When we put aside of petty and trivial differences, get our back up to accomplish something, America becomes a formidable force.

    Then again, we've pretty much lost every war since then. And it wasn't because of PC crybabies.
     
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    PI Nate Disenfranchised since 1984... Gold

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    THIS. Its a purge that Stalin or Mao would have been proud of. All in the name of diversity...:facepalm::facepalm:
     
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    Chibbs Well-Known Member

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    It's even worse than that statement actually implies.

    The White House has picked the first female general to head the Air Force in the Pacific, which will make her the first non-pilot to command air power in such a large theater of operation.
    I'm all for equality of opportunity but this woman has no business leading the Pacific Air Command if she isn't even a Pilot.
    She is not qualified for the position.
    Further evidence that Obama views the military as a social experiment instead of its legitimate Constitutional role.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/17/air-force-command-nominee-is-1st-woman-non-pilot/
     
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    PI Nate Disenfranchised since 1984... Gold

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    Listen, every foxhole should have the appropriate percentage of men, women, minorities, gays and lesbians! :nocheer:
     
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    Chibbs Well-Known Member

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    Her resume is NOT impressive.
    She is basically an IT supervisor and policy wonk with ZERO combat experience.
    She knows NOTHING about how to handle this Pacific Air Command.

    With her in charge, it will now be possible for the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor again.:rolleyes:

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    Shithead Well-Known Member

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    Perfect for these Obongo times!
     
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    PI Nate Disenfranchised since 1984... Gold

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    Experience and training are irrelevant! Obammy needed a woman in the job...:lmao:
     
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    the last power to successfully conquer the russians were the mongols, during the the time of genghis khan in the 13th century. and that was when russia consisted of a series of mere petty states/princedoms. subsequent attempted conquests have all proven futile.


    if afganistan is the graveyard of empires, then the "land of the rus" is the graveyard of conquerors. :grad:
     
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  20. MyLazyHand

    MyLazyHand Russia and France Know What to Do

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    We would win a conventional war with Russia, but we don't have the stomach to fight real wars these days.

    Russia isn't that big from a population standpoint, and they're spread out over a massive area. They have 140 million people spread out over the largest land base in the world.