A Serious Sirius Question About The Howard Stern Show "Tapes"???

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  1. codeine

    codeine Well-Known Member

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    I have always wondered since 2006 when Howard Stern announced that "Sirius" had bought the rights to all of Howard Stern's "The Howard Stern Show" from CBS and KROQ.

    Does this mean that Sirius/XM actually owns them since Howard will never use his own money for anything?

    So.... If Howard does not resign to Sirius/XM (and I pray it happens, I hope he is shown the door)... Does Sirius/XM own all of those old broadcasts and can dedicate a channel to play them on without paying The Gunk?

    Also.... Does Sirius/XM own the rights to his Sirius years from 2006 to Present? Can they replay those as they please?

    If they do.... I hope they replay everything uncut.

    Sorry if this is a dumb question.... I know nothing about business or contracts or rights to previous material???

    Thank you.
     
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    killallposers VIP Extreme Gold

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    My understanding is such:

    Howard got the tapes in the settlement of the K-ROCK lawsuit. Sirius only has right to air them in terms set by Howard.

    His deal with Sirius is much the same. He owns his material. He can take it elsewhere with him after his contract and Sirius can not air it after he leaves without a deal to do so. Sirius is going to have to re-sign him in someway if they want to air Stern material.
     
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    codeine Well-Known Member

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    Okay. Thank you. I've never understood the deal? Howie always claimed Sirius bought back the tapes from what I remembered so I assumed Sirius owned them?

    Thanks again buddy. Appreciate the response.
     
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    It's not clear that Wiggy actually "owns" the old CBS content or if he has the rights to use it if he is no longer associated with SXM although it's certainly possible. It's also possible that the SXM rights expire after xx number of years.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/05/26/howard-stern-cbs-radio-settle-lawsuit.html

    Shock jock Howard Stern regained control of the master tapes from the last 20 years of his terrestrial radio program in a Friday settlement of the contentious lawsuit brought by his former bosses at CBS Radio.

    Stern's new employer, Sirius Satellite Radio Inc. (SIRI), agreed to pay $2 million to CBS Radio in return for the rights to the classic recordings, according to a statement released by both sides.

    "As part of the settlement, CBS Radio will receive payments relating to the conveyance of its rights in the recordings of `The Howard Stern Show,'" the statement read. "Sirius, for its part, will make a total payment of $2 million related to this conveyance."

    The remaining details of the settlement remained confidential, according to the statement.
     
  5. guruhugz

    guruhugz Well-Known Member

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    radio shows from twenty years ago have no value and nobody wants to hear them
     
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    Putting all his shows online available to stream or download for a subscription fee would carry value. And i am sure he would get people to sign up for that. At least MFB and Bobo. If the price was reasonable.

    But i have to disagree that those old shows have no value. Granted i don't see any third party company licensing it for their use. But stern making it available in some form would definitely generate some revenue.
     
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    nearly.normal Well-Known Member

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    A caller recently asked if there wold still be Howard Stern content on Sirius if he left.

    Howard said of course not.
     
  8. BethSucks

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    I understand some people enjoy the old shows but their commercial value is very limited. The great thing about the Stern show of the past was it's topical nature. I tuned in because I wanted to hear about what was going on at the time, hearing them talk about what happened twenty years ago is of little interest to me even as a fan since the early 90's.

    Because most of us were fans of talk radio I think a lot of people here forget that for the vast majority of subscribers Sirius is a music service, they have a few presets tuned to their favorite stations and have no idea that Chanel's 100 and up even exist
     
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    Agreed, and their value is further limited if he were to offer edited versions of his past shows
     
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    That final line probably holds the answer the question. No one knows how much Stern and Buchwald had to pay to settle the suit, they were clearly in breach of contract and didn't want it to hit a court room so were in a bad negotiating position. Sirius didn't control Stern's on air actions at the time so was in the best position of the three, they probably would have come out of a trial almost clean (they were unjustly enriched by Stern's constant eh-eh-eh talk) so made this deal to obtain the tapes for Stern. Little did they know they shot themselves in the foot by giving Stern the ability to play moldy censored tapes instead of creating new programming.
     
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    The tapes are valuable only to anthropologists, psychologists, masochists and queer studies researchers.
     
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    I have all the old shows on hard drive dating back to the early 90s. I listen to them sometimes.
    Real fans of the old howard would appreciate the tapes IF they weren't edited
     
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    I'm sure there is a "right to sue in case all my other ventures are going nowhere and I need to reinterpret the language of the contract in my favor so I can get money for nothing" clause on there somewhere.
     
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    howard lost the case, however, cbs and howard have joint ownership, wherein, both parties have to agree on the terms of all future use of the cbs tapes...the tapes are not offered to the public because howard hates the content, and his performance...
     
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    Yup. Ironically, the people/fan base who might have paid a $ or two to listen to some of his old stuff wouldn't do it any more. There are some old shows I love (Belzer, Gilbert); but I'm so sick of Howard I would no longer pay a dime for his bullshit. My guess it would likely cost more to get them online or on iTunes or whatever than it would generate in profits. Lawyers and beancounters would have to vet each broadcast for copyright issues, etc. And frankly a lot of the old shows suck balls. I mean do you really want to sit through an hour long interview with some mid-90s porn star again?
     
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    I imagine this old content would be put on WhaleRock
     
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    Out of all those thousands of hours of tape we only hear the same clips over and over. The vast majority of it is never played and I doubt if we've even heard 500 hours. I'm sure legal reasons and self-censorship play a part in this but it's possible Howard is holding back most of it for a big payday later on some other pay service. I once wrote Tim Sabien about playing more old stuff and his reply suggested Howard wasn't allowing more to be released, although it was hard to tell because he has such a poor command of the English language and is so evasive.
     
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    Wiggy doesn't own the music rights so he couldn't use any of that content without paying millions for those rights. I really can't imagine more then a comparitive handful of people willing to pay to listen to edited/censored radio crap from years ago. The HTV content was so bad people weren't even bothering to download the pirated content anymore.
     
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    I went back and found the exact quote from Sabien I referenced in my prior post:

    "I'm looking at the future and trying to develop Howardcentric content that appeals to the fans. In the event HS decides that he will someday allow his archival content to air on the platform I would have "LIVE" shows that would be relevant and could support the HS material."
     
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    I think the unsaid reason there is Howard wouldn't pay to have any more shows cleaned up and checked for legal issues. I'm not trying to be a dick but does anyone really want to hear months of shows about the Bush/Gore election, interviews promoting decades old movies and TV shows and hours of Howard and Robin discussing Korn. All the good stuff is available on YouTube etc...
     
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