News AirBnB incident with a man living as a woman

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  1. SouthernListen

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    Early in the evening of July 4, Micaela Giles’s mobile phone started sounding alerts, and a series of messages straight out of a horror movie began scrolling down her screen.

    Her 19-year-old son told her that his Airbnb host in Madrid had locked him in the fourth-floor apartment where he was supposed to be staying and removed the key. The host was still there, he said, rattling knives around in the kitchen drawer and pressing him to submit to a sexual act. He begged his mother for help.

    When she called Airbnb, its employees would not give her the address and would not call the police. Instead, they gave her a number for the Madridpolice and told her to ask the police to call the company for the address. But the number led to a recording in Spanish that kept disconnecting her, she said, and when she repeatedly called back her Airbnb contact, the calls went straight to voice mail.

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    According to her son, Jacob Lopez, he was sexually assaulted that night. Eventually, he persuaded his host to free him. He returned home toMassachusetts and is in trauma therapy.

    His host, who was born male but is living as a woman, denied Mr. Lopez’s accusations. She denied threatening him and said that the sex act was consensual and that he is transphobic. If she is right, filing a false police report and telling the story publicly would be an unlikely way to bury a regrettable experience.

    But the central question here is for Airbnb: Just how much responsibility is it willing to assume for the safety of its customers? It refers to them asguests and promotes its security measures and hospitality. But its employees made a choice here that a hotel might not make in similar circumstances. Rather than sending someone to check on Mr. Lopez, Airbnb put the onus on his mother to make that happen.

    Airbnb, Uber and their ilk have managed to get people to refer to them as pioneers of something called the sharing economy, a neat trick given that they are in the business of renting out rooms and charging for rides.


    What they do share, however, is risk. As I’ve pointed out in previous columns, insurance companies aren’t always fond of everyday individualsrunning inns out of their apartments and driving people around for money. And an Airbnb listing may not mention the dog that will try to chew off your arm if you get too close, as I chronicled in April.

    Still, logic and decency would suggest that when you’re in danger, as Mr. Lopez claimed to be, Airbnb would come to your rescue. And in the wake of this episode, Airbnb said on Friday that it was clarifying its policies to make sure that its employees know to always call the police when someone reports an emergency in progress.

    Mr. Lopez found himself in Madrid in the first place because he had such a great experience with Brazilian Airbnb hosts in 2014. His Madrid host told him to meet her at a subway exit near her residence.

    When they arrived at her apartment and she locked them in, he said, she repeatedly tried to kiss him. He rebuffed her, and then she ordered him to take off his pants unless he wanted to sleep in the streets without his belongings, he said. As these events unfolded, he began messaging his mother, though by the time his mother realized that Airbnb would not give her his address and that she had to get it from him, he said, his host had cut off Internet access




    His host, meanwhile, began rattling around in the kitchen drawers, and Mr. Lopez said he feared that she had a weapon and concluded that the choice to leave was not a real one. After the sexual assault, it was not clear whether she would let him go, he said, and he began looking around for something that he could use to hurt her so that he could escape.

    “I was telling myself that I was going to have to kill her or she was going to kill me,” he said. “Thoughts that should never have to go through anyone’s mind started to come into mine. How are you going to live with yourself the rest of your life knowing that you killed someone? But if you don’t, then you won’t have a life.”

    He chose not to try to fight his way out and eventually concocted a story about plans he’d made to meet friends nearby. Those friends knew where he was staying, he told his host, and they would come for him or call the police if he did not meet them. This scared her enough that she let him leave with his belongings.

    Mr. Lopez’s description of the episode, which he gave to me in a three-hour interview at his family’s home, matches the one he gave in his police report. The Madrid police would not comment on the investigation, though his host said that they had already visited her and that she expected to be exonerated.



    According to Airbnb, this was a unique situation on a weekend when 800,000 people were staying worldwide with an Airbnb host. A number of the company’s safety procedures came into conflict. On one hand, Airbnb wants sexual assault victims to be able to decide for themselves when, how or if to report a crime. On the other, the company wants to report crimes in progress when customers are in danger and will turn over information quickly if the police request it.

    In this instance, Airbnb’s employees believed that the assault had already taken place, according to Nick Papas, a company spokesman. Ms. Giles said she warned of an imminent assault when she first called but later, after hearing from her son, told the company that it had already happened.

    “We realize we can learn a lot from this incident and we can do better,” Mr. Papas said by email. “We are clarifying our policies so that our team will always contact law enforcement if we are made aware of an emergency situation in progress. Safety is our No. 1 priority, and we want to get our hosts and guests as much help as possible.”
     
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    It's like my mother always told me... ass, gas, or grass - nobody stays with a Spanish tranny for free.
     
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    "His host, who was born male but is living as a woman, denied Mr. Lopez’s accusations. She denied threatening him and said that the sex act was consensual and that he is transphobic."
    It was consensual yet he doesn't like trans? That makes no sense ..... :tzone:
     
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    'transphobic' 'homophobic'.... did the alleged victim of a sexual assault by this man , break out in a sweat? , did his heart race?, did he throw up? did he come out in a rash? did he hypoventilate? did his limbs shake? Did he present signs of mental distress? That is what i have observed when someone in my family who has a phobia was presented with a triggering situation.... I think it rather sinister to medicalise people who have negative views about others, the soviet union would lock people up in mental asylums for having views the ruling elite disliked.

    I can see this happening more often, due to the 'trans agenda', men who rebuff a trannies advances will be the one accused of having the problem ,when the other party is a man who is under the mental delusion he is in fact a woman. Fortunately for men quite a few of these trannies especially the ones who decide to be women later in life see themselves as 'translesbian', so still identify as hetro sexual.
     
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    I must be getting old
    never heard of this company
    so you rent a room off private people and shit?
    sometimes I assume this would be a single room apartment
    or maybe a room in a home or apartment with several rooms?

    call me paranoid but I sorta think only serial killers are posting such rooms for rent
    I like to pretend serial killers are quite common-spices shit up
     
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    I don't like fat broads but when I was a single man I did have sex with a few
     
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    This world has gone berserk. Transphobic?
     
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    Aka normal
     
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    I used them once back in April without incident. I rented a guys apartment in Paris for two nights. I could see where a sicko could take advantage of the service though. It's a roll of the dice I guess.
     
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    Oh yeah....."Homophobic" got the insanity ball rolling...........
     
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    I guess this dude never saw......"Hostel"
     
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    What kind of real man calls his mom when he is getting blown by a tranny?
     
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    Don't think the tranny was wanting to blow him..........
     
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    Sometimes it's a single room apartment, sometimes it's a home. And sometimes it's a pit in a guy's basement.
     
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