Alabama probate judges refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples could face sanctions

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    April and Ginger Aaron-Brush met at the University of Montevallo in 1997 and have been together ever since. Two years the couple married in Massachusetts. On June 10, 2014 they filed a federal lawsuit against the State of Alabama seeking a ruling that prohibits enforcement of a state law that prevents the recognition of same-sex marriages in the state



    Alabama probate judges who refuse to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples could ultimately be jailed for contempt if they disobey a federal judge's order, a few legal experts said Saturday.

    "If the (federal) court issues an order and they refuse to comply with the order, then the court can find them in contempt of court, which could result in a fine or incarceration until they purge themselves of the contempt," former U.S. District Court Judge U.W. Clemon said. "I don't think that's likely to happen," he quickly added.

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    So a state judge disobeys a federal judge's order and can be found in contempt - which is a bad thing.

    But the Attorney General can be found in contempt of court and it doesn't mean shit.

    Got it.


    I guess it's just a matter of these judges getting pissed that the legislation they're passing unilaterally is being ignored.
     
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    Think of this like one of Dear Leaders fatwas (executive action). It may be illegal, but who cares...:coffee:
     
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    I'd pay 50 bucks for ringside to watch these two go at with matching vibrators
     
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    I don't understand all the resistance to gay marriage. WGAS? Let them get married.

    I knew a couple of gay guys in school - if you don't think these people were born gay, you're a retard.

    Why deprive them of experiencing the "joys" of marriage first-hand? :jj:
     
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    I have no problem whatsoever with Gay marriage, it's not my job to judge.

    If laws are passed then Judges must also fallow them

    Render unto Caesar.
     
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    Agreed 100% its ridiculous.
     
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    For the record, the AG was found in contempt of congress ... not court.

    And secondly what would happen if EVERY Alabama judge refused the order?
     
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    Marriage is a religious sacrament and has no place being sanctioned by the government. The state doesn't confirm priests, perform last rites, give communion etc it shouldn't sanction marriages.

    That's why I think that states should just issue civil union licenses equally to everyone and leave "marriages" to churches.
     
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    If you hate gay people.. the worst thing you can do is let them suffer the horrors of marriage
     
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    That's not the real issue here. I agree they should be able to marry whomever they want. The issue is can the federal government dictate to state officials what actions they must take. I don't even know the law there about same sex marriage. But unelected non-legislative individuals creating "law" by dictate is a dangerous thing. They presuppose that the federal government is somehow "superior" to states, which is far from true according to the constitution.
     
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    Absolutely.. Life sometimes is too fucking short. People deserve to live fulfilling ones so long as they don't maliciously hurt anyone else or infringe on others' rights.

    Aside from that: misery loves company!
     
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    some people dont like people being gay, i get that.
    but banning them from marriage doesnt stop them from being gay or doing gay stuff, so i dont get that.
    the same reasons why straight marriage is good for society, also applied to gays
    what happened to family values :dontknow:



    i am for banning gay parades though
     
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    My problem with this issue is not that judges aren't following the law, it's that they're writing the law. That's not supposed to be their job.
     
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    so by that logic, some states can refuse to marry straight ppl, states rights? :dontknow:
     
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    I'm not law expert bro, just commented like everyone else.
     
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    if we're banning parades, ban em all. the gay pride ones are ridiculously funny.
     
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    I get it. I just find it necessary to occasionally push back against the media's disinformation campaign which tries to paint all persons who reject the judicial activism present in these cases as homophobes. Some of us just want the legislative and judicial systems to work in the manner in which they are intended.
     
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    This. I remember a kid all the way back in 5th grade. We all knew he was gay even if he didn't. Shocked no one years later when it was confirmed.