Another example of environmentalism blowing up in their faces

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    Emerging solar plants scorch birds in mid-air
    Published: August 18, 2014 10:26 PM
    By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

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    This October 2013 photo provided by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service shows a burned Yellow-rumped Warbler that was found at the Ivanpah solar plant in the California Mojave Desert. (Credit: AP)

    IVANPAH DRY LAKE, Calif. - Workers at a state-of-the-art solar plant in the Mojave Desert have a name for birds that fly through the plant's concentrated sun rays — "streamers," for the smoke plume that comes from birds that ignite in midair.

    Federal wildlife investigators who visited the BrightSource Energy plant last year and watched as birds burned and fell, reporting an average of one "streamer" every two minutes, are urging California officials to halt the operator's application to build a still-bigger version.

    The investigators want the halt until the full extent of the deaths can be assessed. Estimates per year now range from a low of about a thousand by BrightSource to 28,000 by an expert for the Center for Biological Diversity environmental group.

    The deaths are "alarming. It's hard to say whether that's the location or the technology," said Garry George, renewable-energy director for the California chapter of the Audubon Society. "There needs to be some caution."

    The bird kills mark the latest instance in which the quest for clean energy sometimes has inadvertent environmental harm. Solar farms have been criticized for their impacts on desert tortoises, and wind farms have killed birds, including numerous raptors.

    "We take this issue very seriously," said Jeff Holland, a spokesman for NRG Solar of Carlsbad, California, the second of the three companies behind the plant. The third, Google, deferred comment to its partners.

    The $2.2 billion plant, which launched in February, is at Ivanpah Dry Lake near the California-Nevada border. The operator says it's the world's biggest plant to employ so-called power towers.

    More than 300,000 mirrors, each the size of a garage door, reflect solar rays onto three boiler towers each looming up to 40 stories high. The water inside is heated to produce steam, which turns turbines that generate enough electricity for 140,000 homes.

    Sun rays sent up by the field of mirrors are bright enough to dazzle pilots flying in and out of Las Vegas and Los Angeles.

    Federal wildlife officials said Ivanpah might act as a "mega-trap" for wildlife, with the bright light of the plant attracting insects, which in turn attract insect-eating birds that fly to their death in the intensely focused light rays.

    Federal and state biologists call the number of deaths significant, based on sightings of birds getting singed and falling, and on retrieval of carcasses with feathers charred too severely for flight.

    Ivanpah officials dispute the source of the so-called streamers, saying at least some of the puffs of smoke mark insects and bits of airborne trash being ignited by the solar rays.

    Wildlife officials who witnessed the phenomena say many of the clouds of smoke were too big to come from anything but a bird, and they add that they saw "birds entering the solar flux and igniting, consequently become a streamer."

    U.S. Fish and Wildlife officials say they want a death toll for a full year of operation.

    Given the apparent scale of bird deaths at Ivanpah, authorities should thoroughly track bird kills there for a year, including during annual migratory seasons, before granting any more permits for that kind of solar technology, said George, of the Audubon Society.

    The toll on birds has been surprising, said Robert Weisenmiller, chairman of the California Energy Commission. "We didn't see a lot of impact" on birds at the first, smaller power towers in the U.S. and Europe, Weisenmiller said.

    The commission is now considering the application from Oakland-based BrightSource to build a mirror field and a 75-story power tower that would reach above the sand dunes and creek washes between Joshua Tree National Park and the California-Arizona border.

    The proposed plant is on a flight path for birds between the Colorado River and California's largest lake, the Salton Sea — an area, experts say, is richer in avian life than the Ivanpah plant, with protected golden eagles and peregrine falcons and more than 100 other species of birds recorded there.

    U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service officials warned California this month that the power-tower style of solar technology holds "the highest lethality potential" of the many solar projects burgeoning in the deserts of California.

    The commission's staff estimates the proposed new tower would be almost four times as dangerous to birds as the Ivanpah plant. The agency is expected to decide this autumn on the proposal.

    While biologists say there is no known feasible way to curb the number of birds killed, the companies behind the projects say they are hoping to find one — studying whether lights, sounds or some other technology would scare them away, said Joseph Desmond, senior vice president at BrightSource Energy.

    BrightSource also is offering $1.8 million in compensation for anticipated bird deaths at Palen, Desmond said.

    The company is proposing the money for programs such as those to spay and neuter domestic cats, which a government study found kill over 1.4 billion birds a year. Opponents say that would do nothing to help the desert birds at the proposed site.

    Power-tower proponents are fighting to keep the deaths from forcing a pause in the building of new plants when they see the technology on the verge of becoming more affordable and accessible, said Thomas Conroy, a renewable-energy expert.

    When it comes to powering the country's grids, "diversity of technology ... is critical," Conroy said. "Nobody should be arguing let's be all coal, all solar," all wind, or all nuclear. "And every one of those technologies has a long list of pros and cons."
     
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    Windmills Killing Endangered Birds
    Tuesday, 26 Nov 2013 11:01 AM

    By Michael Reagan

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    It took a while, but 440,000 eagle, hawk, falcon, crane, egret, goose, and other bird corpses finally made a pile so large that even the Obama administration could no longer ignore the stink.

    Last Friday Duke Energy Corp. pled guilty to killing 14 eagles and 149 other federally protected birds at two of its wind farms located outside Casper, Wyo., and agreed to pay a $1 million fine.

    This is historic because as reporter Dina Cappiello observed, “Until the settlement announced Friday … not a single wind energy company had been prosecuted for a death of an eagle or other protected bird — even though each death is a violation of federal law, unless a company has a federal permit. Not a single wind energy facility has obtained a permit.”

    Now you may be wondering how this could happen under an administration that wants to regulate carbon dioxide, which is expelled by humans and absorbed by plants.

    Cappiello has an answer for that, too: “Killing these iconic birds is not just an irreplaceable loss for a vulnerable species. It's also a federal crime, a charge that the Obama administration has used to prosecute oil companies when birds drown in their waste pits, and power companies when birds are electrocuted by their power lines. But [until now] the administration has never fined or prosecuted a wind-energy company, even those that flout the law repeatedly.

    "Instead, the government is shielding the industry from liability and helping keep the scope of the deaths secret.”

    Unless you’ve actually seen one of these windmills you may be laboring under what I call the ‘Dutch misconception’ and I’m not referring to my father. When we hear the word ‘windmill’ most of us think of quaint windmills in the Netherlands that are used to make wooden shoes or something similar.

    But power–generating wind turbines are different by several orders of magnitude. These monsters can equal the height of a 30–story building and the span from blade tip to blade tip is as wide as the wingspan of a jet airplane.

    Standing on the ground, blades appear to move majestically, but the end of the blades can reach speeds that approach 170 miles per hour, creating a wind whirlpool that sucks birds into the blade’s unforgiving maw.

    That’s why many wildlife fanciers call them "bird blenders." And according to Paul Driessen, the bird deaths are in vain. He reports “wind energy is a net jobs and economic loser.” Right now there are approximately 39,000 wind turbines in the U.S. and the Obama administration wants to subsidize more using your tax dollars.

    Wind energy is such a scam that even the Mafia is trying to harness the wind. So far almost one–third of the wind farms located on Sicily have been seized by law enforcement, according to The Washington Post, because of Mafia fraud.

    Meanwhile the administration blocks construction of the Keystone Pipeline and does it’s best to prevent or delay and fossil–fuel drilling on federal land, because the administration doesn’t approve of fossil fuels. While wind, solar and battery power soak up taxpayer dollars and slaughters birds.
     
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    Their goose is cooked.
     
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    LOL!!!!....I love it....You aren't going to get safer than nuke plants
     
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    it's not like engineers and scientists could have possibly realized that those areas would be killing thousands of birds. i'm sure they were paid hundreds of thousands to anticipate any problems.

    i wrote contracts for environmental cleanup or worked for compaines with environmental cleanup contracts for 20 years. they were screaming about how solar and wind were going to save us all. 20 years later and they are still trying to figure it out.

    saudi is planning on building the largest solar powered masterpiece in their country. it'll be bird hunting and cooking all in one stroke.

    the poor birds.
     
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    Animal activist Beth Stern has taken up the cause of these flaming birds.
     
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    Como estan los bees?
     
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    I knew this like 15 years ago, and I don't even read.
     
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    gubment studies are often done to prove once again, that the average person's common sense is 10 times better than any politicians.
     
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    and to generate funds for the studiers,lobbyists,politicians
     
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    If Beth really came out opposing this killing, she would be admired. It would be against the EPA though and that doesn't fit with Howard's new agenda.
     
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    The government sucks cock. Always hiding shit and fucking us in the ass.
     
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    "Solar bad! Coal good! Oil good! Grr hulk smash"

    Is that supposed to be the takeaway of this thread?
     
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    not on my end.

    what i see is that unintended consequences are a bitch. even if many of them could have and should have been anticipated. :hat:

    we just like to goof on those people who believe that we should basically just stop using coal right now. like we are anywhere near that place.
     
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    Save the animals. Fuck the humans. Sounds legit.
     
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    as that bird knows, there isnt enough wind or sunlight to run our houses and cars. We have enough fossil fuels for at least 100 years until they get that 'Back to the Future" car built.
    [​IMG] Where's fukin' DeLorean when you need him? :dontknow:
     
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    But where would the power come from to heat, cool and light two huge mansions and a large condo for two people and their cats to live in?
     
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    Solar as supplemental power, when designed into homes over the coming decades, rather than added later at greater expense and uglification, and attached to the grid to return excess power and draw power when needed, sounds like a decent idea. Trying to generate massive power from one location and send it elsewhere, not so much. But it could do a lot to reduce total carbon based fuel consumption.

    I read a paper recently that pointed out that even with "free" fuel , wind power costs more than current sources due to low output and intermittent production, along with high maintenance costs. Hydro seems nice and efficient though. Environmentalists don't like that, however, so expansion of that is unlikely.

    The reason you will see mostly large scale projects and less production at the household and business location level is that there isn't as much corruption cash to be made by politicians and their cronies swindling taxpayers with small projects.