Any Woody Allen fans here?

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  1. Dorb

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    February 1, 2014, 3:04 pm
    An Open Letter From Dylan Farrow

    By DYLAN FARROW [​IMG]Frances SilverDylan Farrow
    (A note from Nicholas Kristof: In 1993, accusations that Woody Allen had abused his adoptive daughter, Dylan Farrow, filled the headlines, part of a sensational story about the celebrity split between Allen and his girlfriend, Mia Farrow. This is a case that has been written about endlessly, but this is the first time that Dylan Farrow herself has written about it in public. It’s important to note that Woody Allen was never prosecuted in this case and has consistently denied wrongdoing; he deserves the presumption of innocence. So why publish an account of an old case on my blog? Partly because the Golden Globe lifetime achievement award to Allen ignited a debate about the propriety of the award. Partly because the root issue here isn’t celebrity but sex abuse. And partly because countless people on all sides have written passionately about these events, but we haven’t fully heard from the young woman who was at the heart of them. I’ve written a column about this, but it’s time for the world to hear Dylan’s story in her own words.)

    What’s your favorite Woody Allen movie? Before you answer, you should know: when I was seven years old, Woody Allen took me by the hand and led me into a dim, closet-like attic on the second floor of our house. He told me to lay on my stomach and play with my brother’s electric train set. Then he sexually assaulted me. He talked to me while he did it, whispering that I was a good girl, that this was our secret, promising that we’d go to Paris and I’d be a star in his movies. I remember staring at that toy train, focusing on it as it traveled in its circle around the attic. To this day, I find it difficult to look at toy trains.
    For as long as I could remember, my father had been doing things to me that I didn’t like. I didn’t like how often he would take me away from my mom, siblings and friends to be alone with him. I didn’t like it when he would stick his thumb in my mouth. I didn’t like it when I had to get in bed with him under the sheets when he was in his underwear. I didn’t like it when he would place his head in my naked lap and breathe in and breathe out. I would hide under beds or lock myself in the bathroom to avoid these encounters, but he always found me. These things happened so often, so routinely, so skillfully hidden from a mother that would have protected me had she known, that I thought it was normal. I thought this was how fathers doted on their daughters. But what he did to me in the attic felt different. I couldn’t keep the secret anymore.

    When I asked my mother if her dad did to her what Woody Allen did to me, I honestly did not know the answer. I also didn’t know the firestorm it would trigger. I didn’t know that my father would use his sexual relationship with my sister to cover up the abuse he inflicted on me. I didn’t know that he would accuse my mother of planting the abuse in my head and call her a liar for defending me. I didn’t know that I would be made to recount my story over and over again, to doctor after doctor, pushed to see if I’d admit I was lying as part of a legal battle I couldn’t possibly understand. At one point, my mother sat me down and told me that I wouldn’t be in trouble if I was lying – that I could take it all back. I couldn’t. It was all true. But sexual abuse claims against the powerful stall more easily. There were experts willing to attack my credibility. There were doctors willing to gaslight an abused child.
    After a custody hearing denied my father visitation rights, my mother declined to pursue criminal charges, despite findings of probable cause by the State of Connecticut – due to, in the words of the prosecutor, the fragility of the “child victim.†Woody Allen was never convicted of any crime. That he got away with what he did to me haunted me as I grew up. I was stricken with guilt that I had allowed him to be near other little girls. I was terrified of being touched by men. I developed an eating disorder. I began cutting myself. That torment was made worse by Hollywood. All but a precious few (my heroes) turned a blind eye. Most found it easier to accept the ambiguity, to say, “who can say what happened,†to pretend that nothing was wrong. Actors praised him at awards shows. Networks put him on TV. Critics put him in magazines. Each time I saw my abuser’s face – on a poster, on a t-shirt, on television – I could only hide my panic until I found a place to be alone and fall apart.
    Last week, Woody Allen was nominated for his latest Oscar. But this time, I refuse to fall apart. For so long, Woody Allen’s acceptance silenced me. It felt like a personal rebuke, like the awards and accolades were a way to tell me to shut up and go away. But the survivors of sexual abuse who have reached out to me – to support me and to share their fears of coming forward, of being called a liar, of being told their memories aren’t their memories – have given me a reason to not be silent, if only so others know that they don’t have to be silent either.
    Today, I consider myself lucky. I am happily married. I have the support of my amazing brothers and sisters. I have a mother who found within herself a well of fortitude that saved us from the chaos a predator brought into our home.
    But others are still scared, vulnerable, and struggling for the courage to tell the truth. The message that Hollywood sends matters for them.
    What if it had been your child, Cate Blanchett? Louis CK? Alec Baldwin? What if it had been you, Emma Stone? Or you, Scarlett Johansson? You knew me when I was a little girl, Diane Keaton. Have you forgotten me?
    Woody Allen is a living testament to the way our society fails the survivors of sexual assault and abuse.
    So imagine your seven-year-old daughter being led into an attic by Woody Allen. Imagine she spends a lifetime stricken with nausea at the mention of his name. Imagine a world that celebrates her tormenter.
    Are you imagining that? Now, what’s your favorite Woody Allen movie?

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  2. I invented that

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    comments and the end of the article are interesting, woody has plenty of supporters.
     
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    Is the search function broken again?
     
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    sounds like a bullshit :quote: recovered memory :quote: to me.
     
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    what a bullshit line. as an adult, this person should know that it isn't "gaslighting" and people weren't attacking the kid's credibility, per se, and calling the kid a liar. an allegation of sexual molestation is huge and you can't just trust the word of a kid because kids lie, kid's memories are faulty, and kids are susceptible to outside influences interfering with actual memories even more than adults are.
     
  6. A Succulent Chinese Meal

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    The Catholic Church attacked children's credibility.
     
  7. Dorb

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    She was very graphic and the abuse continued for a long time.
    Doesnt sound like bullshit or recovered memory to me.
     
  8. Dorb

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    That the way these dirty rats try to cover up their abuse.
     
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    She should have the courage to put a bullet in his head off this fuck. The dude is a creep plain and simple.
     
  10. A Succulent Chinese Meal

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    Or Penn State. I still can't believe the guy who saw Jerry Sandusky in the shower with a boy didn't immediately call the police. It's so wrong.
     
  11. Nickthedick

    Nickthedick Absotutely

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    What kind of an asshole would ever say "I am a Woody Allen fan"?
     
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    they're usually from nyc.
     
  13. Harry Gibbs

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    that's exactly what a so-called recovered memory would be like. .
     
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    Now you're just trolling. :rolleye:
     
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    Considering he married his other adopted daughter, I'm thinking she may be telling the truth.
     
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    Ya THINK??? :coffee:
     
  17. Dorb

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    WHY are you defending this pedophile piece of shit???
    Does your avatar give it away?
     
  18. A Succulent Chinese Meal

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    But trolling in such a way that he looks like he was once accused of being a pedophile, so there's that.
     
  19. A Succulent Chinese Meal

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    I've got a memory of one of my uncles trying to take off my clothes for bed when I was three or four, but I had never been around my dad or had any father figure and it always seemed greasy to me. I wonder if I just didn't know what it was like to have a dad. Oh Lord Jesus, help me.
     
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    Yep. That's why I sez it.