"Apple co-founder Wozniak sees trouble in the cloud"

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    http://www.google.com/gwt/x?u=http%3A%2F%2Fca.news.yahoo.com/apple-co-founder-wozniak-sees-trouble-cloud-115222245.html&ei=rgQfUKDnN87Cmgf_9YCoAw&wsc=vb

    Steve Wozniak, who co-founded Apple with the late Steve Jobs, predicted "horrible problems" in the coming years as cloud-based computing takes hold.

    Wozniak, 61, was the star turn at the penultimate performance in Washington of "The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs," monologist Mike Daisey's controversial two-hour expose of Apple's labor conditions in China.

    In a post-performance dialogue with Daisey and audience members, Wozniak held forth on topics as varied as public education (he once did a stint as a school teacher) and reality TV (having appeared on "Dancing with the Stars").

    But the engineering wizard behind the progenitor of today's personal computer, the Apple II, was most outspoken on the shift away from hard disks towards uploading data into remote servers, known as cloud computing.

    "I really worry about everything going to the cloud," he said. "I think it's going to be horrendous. I think there are going to be a lot of horrible problems in the next five years."

    He added: "With the cloud, you don't own anything. You already signed it away" through the legalistic terms of service with a cloud provider that computer users must agree to.

    "I want to feel that I own things," Wozniak said. "A lot of people feel, 'Oh, everything is really on my computer,' but I say the more we transfer everything onto the web, onto the cloud, the less we're going to have control over it."

    Prior to Saturday at the Woolly Mammoth theater in Washington, Daisey and Wozniak had met once before, in California after a performance of "The Agony and the Ecstasy" in its original version in February 2011.

    Wozniak was moved to tears, but a year later Daisey came under fire when it emerged that sections of his one-man show dealing with the Foxconn plant in China where iPhones and iPads are assembled had been fabricated.

    Public radio show "This American Life," which had broadcast portions of "The Agony and the Ecstasy," went so far as to issue a retraction. Daisey meanwhile reworked his script, albeit without toning down his powerful delivery.

    On the minimalist stage Saturday, seated on plain wooden chairs, Daisey and Wozniak came across as a geek version of Tweedledum and Tweedledee in their baggy black clothes and matching beer bellies.

    The bearded, fast-talking Wozniak sported running shoes and a massive wrist watch. In the theater lobby, for Saturday only, one of the very first Apple I computers ever built -- assembled in Jobs' garage -- was on display.

    "Everything I designed was purely out of my head, never out of a book," recalled Wozniak, who quit Apple in 1987 after 12 years, taught fifth-graders, hit the lecture circuit and gave away some of his fortune to good causes.

    Many in the audience echoed Daisey's concern about Foxconn's work force, but Wozniak said he expected labor conditions in China to evolve as the nation grows richer. He also commended Apple for its oversight of its factories.

    "We know we (citizens and consumers) have a voice. We can speak (about labor conditions), but we can't act like, oh, Foxconn is bad or Apple is bad," he said.

    Daisey begged to differ: "I hear what you're saying about that fact that everyone goes through an evolution, but it's not as if the evolution was natural in the sense that we are the ones who brought the jobs there."

    While Apple designs its products in the United States, all its manufacturing takes place in China -- a sore point in an election year in which unemployment and a long-term exodus of manufacturing jobs overseas have been campaign issues.
     
  2. Snotty

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    Wha-Wha-WHAT??? Public Radio retracts? Hypocrisy at its highest......................
     
  3. h89fvh8dfha8hfv9a0

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    And then what happened?
     
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    I can't believe Baba Booey, with his pithy insights into all things Apple, wasn't on the panel with Wozniak and Daisey.

    "I think the iPad was a bit of a misstep for Apple..."
     
  5. Know More BS

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    "What's LTE?"
     
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    I don't use that shit anyway, now I'm glad I don't. Although Google prolly already owns everything I have.
     
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    you do know that Woz' main contribution to the Apple was to design and assemble the actual device out of discarded parts he appropriated from the lab trash, using a piece of plywood as the motherboard because he thought it would be cool to do? As much as I like Woz, high tech Nostradamus he is not. That was Job's talent.

    Woz is sort of a high tech border: he travels with 6+ smartphones, multiple chargers, ipad, laptop, mifi, and other geek toys everywhere he goes.
     
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    if you want to use those things, and still want to own your stuff encrypt it. use something like Boxcryptor and its on the cloud sites but they can't get at it.
     
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    But they still own it because you agreed to it, and if they want to decrypt it they can.
     
  10. Senator Rick

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    Look -I buy external hard-drives and USB flash drives for additional storage.
    I do not trust the cloud concept.
     
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    That is what I do. If something is terribly important, I store it in a location away from home on another hard drive. I don't trust anyone with sensitive information. :no:
     
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    i'm lost. does this have anything to do with scotts black cloud?
     
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    I don't either. I use USB external drives. I will never buy a Seagate one again. I have a 2TB one that is bricked. You can't reset it and they want $60 for a program to fix it. Buy Western Digital instead.
     
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    do you think they can such that it is worth the expense to do so? Boxcryptor uses AES-256 same as the EncFS (encrypted filesystem that Microsoft failed to use) which is verified by NIST to the FIPS 140-2 and 197 standards. If its good enough for the NSA and for Wall St it should be good enough for your porn.
     
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    you are aware that you have to refresh the data on drives and media, even on DVDs because it fades over time. big sites have a planned data refresh cycle where they regularly copy the media into a machine's active memory and then once verified by checksums it is written back out to the media.
     
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    Just wait. There will be a day, soon, when people like us are seen as people with "something to hide."

    I don't want my Asian lesbo toe sucking vids on some fucking cloud, goddammit! I want them on a 2 TB thumb drive. Make that happen, nerds! :pissed:











    *And by "Asian" I mean Japanese. I have standards.
     
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    way too many words for one day, I wonder if there is a cliff-notes for all that shit....
     
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    i keep all my techie ebooks in the clouds so I can get to them without having to lug the paper between my home and the office.
    works really well. anything that should be confidential, like tax returns etc. i encrypt with really long and complex passwords (have high entropy levels: geeky speak for a really tough password). its a lot cheaper than buying new drives all the time since Seagate and the others have reduced their quality levels and associated guarantees from 5 yrs to 2 while jacking up the prices.
     
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    ok: Boxcryptor uses the same encryption that the Feds and the Banks require which means its as good as you can get until we make quantum encryption work. its secure because it is expensive to crack.

    Any encryption can be cracked. it becomes a cost-benefits decision: is it worth the expense to crack it. Boxcryptor will require a lab costing between $30,000 and $150,000 and staff to write the custom programs to do it. It's just not worth it for Google and other to crack the data of (ab)normal people like us.
     
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    I'm sure these Cloud servers have it in their terms that if they lose your data that they are not responsible.