Politics As Clinton says only she can win, Sanders points to the polls

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    DES MOINES -- The new ad from Hillary Clinton warns Iowa's Democrats that only she can win a general election. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) begs to differ -- and so does his math.

    "My opponent says this is an important issue; she is the person who can win the general election," Sanders said at an American Legion hall here, at an event that largely focused on the city's fast-growing Latino population. "I respectfully disagree. Look at which candidate is doing better against Donald Trump. Look at the last national poll and you find that Bernie Sanders is beating Donald Trump by 13 points, Hillary Clinton by seven points.”

    Sanders has been making that argument at almost every Iowa stop this weekend, a head-turning addition to his extremely consistent stump speech. Frustrated by media coverage that has covered Donald Trump's insurgent campaign far more closely than Sanders's -- by one calculation, 23 times more closely -- the candidate and his supporters are starting to ask why his strong poll numbers aren't news.

    Republicans have picked up on this, if not with the Democrats' best interests in mind. "Trump is smothering [the] attention Sanders should get," tweeted former Mitt Romney strategist Stuart Stevens last month. "He is historic. A socialist most liked candidate? Amazing."

    At a Friday rally in Toledo, a small city in the state's northeast, Sanders introduced an audience of several hundred voters to the "very respected" Quinnipiac poll, based at the eponymous university in Connecticut. While taking care not to criticize Clinton, he noted that he was leading each Republican by more than she was.

    Later that night, in Cedar Rapids, the Vermont senator set up the polling riff with a question.

    “We have got to beat right-wing Republican extremism," said Sanders. "So the question is, who is the stronger candidate to do that?”

    Members of the 1,600-person crowd yelled out his name before Sanders had a chance to answer. He then shared that a recent national poll had him leading Trump by twice as much as Clinton and that a just-released poll from New Hampshire that had him up by higher margins than Clinton -- several more points, in most cases -- against virtually all of the GOP candidates in hypothetical general-election match-ups. Sanders ticked off his margins and Clinton’s against Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, “our good friend” Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio.

    “And I must confess to you here is my favorite one,” Sanders said before relaying how much he is up over Trump in New Hampshire.

    The electability boast contrasts with the rest of Sanders's speech. In its pride, and its use of the third person, it also echoes what can be an endless-seeming section of Trump's stump speeches. The mogul-turned candidate often assures audiences that they have picked a winner, reciting whatever poll numbers give him the biggest leads over Republican rivals. (As recently as last Saturday, Trump was still citing an outdated Nevada poll that gave him a lead with Republican-leaning Latino voters.)

    Clinton includes no such numerology in her speeches. She would be hard-pressed to do so. As Sanders supporters often note, Clinton's favorable numbers have swooned since her largely apolitical days as President Obama's first secretary of state. A Fox News poll released this week found every Republican, even Trump, leading in a trial heat with Clinton.

    Democratic voters have yet to internalize, or take seriously, numbers like those. The ad Sanders referred to, "Incredible," calls Clinton "tested and tough." After running through some of the top Republican candidates' most explosive moments, it insists that Clinton is "the one candidate who can stop them."



    In Cedar Rapids, Sanders acknowledged -- in a very un-Trumpian fashion -- that his best general election numbers were from “just one poll” in one state. Still, he said, anyone who looks “objectively” at his campaign and Clinton’s will come to the same conclusion: “Our campaign is the campaign that has the energy, has the enthusiasm.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...only-she-can-win-sanders-points-to-the-polls/
     
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    Bernie? Isn't he dead yet? Where do they get these democrat hopefuls? Sunnyside day home? Is the requirement that you don't have any original teeth? Seriously, they're fossils.
     
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    As opposed to what? This healthy specimen?
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    Watch how you talk about the future president!
     
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    You have to admit, that's an "action photo." The most action Hillary has had is when Huma talked dirty to her in 1999. Seriously, the Democrats have become the party of geriatrics. Do we have to pay extra for White House staff to recycle Bernie's depends? You should have run Bernie against Nixon.
     
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    I'm fine with that, really, I profit either way. Just get someone with their original teeth.
     
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    Anyone is better than Trump. No one at all would be better than Trump.
     
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    Who are you liking so far @dawg?
     
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    Trump is fine, he's wealthy. Bernie and HRC will smile at you and pick you pockets dry at the same time. Bernie and Hilary want to make this the "United States Of Trailer Park." Enjoy that. My money is "portable" thank goodness.
     
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    No one really, I thought we could do better than this, i guess not.

    either they are too far right and are religious nuts or too far left and want to take guns etc...

    what a shame.
     
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    Yeah between the choices on both sides, I'm just not into anyone. I have no horse in the race I guess.
     
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    Trump would not be allowed to be the same person he is now as president. You don't believe me, ask Abraham Lincoln and JFK. Money doesn't mean everything.
     
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    No more moderates bro just extremists. that's our country now.
     
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    @ltd86 has informed us all that dawg is secretly a Trump guy.
     
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    I will be fine no matter who wins. I am not one of those idiots that say they are leaving the country :jj:
     
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    In a way, very true.
     
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    :c

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    A fan of his acting though. :dontknow:
     
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    How many people said they were leaving the country if Obama won? Yet here they all still are :jj:
     
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    I'm certain you're right, but it matters little. If one of these "socialists" raise taxes, and take home pay drops, that's when the people care. That's what makes people move to the dole. Its a giant sliding scale that has bread lines on side, and prosperity on the other. Stalin thought this was the answer, Gorbachev found out it wasn't. It's cyclical really, over and over again.

    But in the end, Democrat or Republican, if I need a kidney I can buy one on the "free" market, or the "black." Things like "Obamacare" can't do that for you. You need cold hard valuable "currency" in your pocket. Bullets or bullion, you pick. As my college professor used to say "Only money, is money." Think about that for a minuet.