Politics Bernie Sanders crowds larger than Clinton or Trump

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    Sanders caved to the protesters from the Black Lives Matter movement and gave activist Marissa Johnson the microphone. "I was going to tell Bernie how racist this city is, even with all of these progressives, but you've already done that for me. Thank you," she said, apparently in response to members of the crowd who booed her. I suppose if you've already conceded that you aren't reasonable, it's not hard to argue that booing an uninvited rabble-rouser is "racist."

    It's understandable that all eyes have been on the insane food fight Donald Trump has instigated on the right. Even Trump's biggest detractors — and I count myself among their number — have to concede that Trump is awfully entertaining. But while the spectacle on the right seems like a canceled TV reality show pilot — call it "Desperate Billionaires of Manhattan" — the spectacle on the left is no less fascinating or significant.

    Sanders, the lifelong independent socialist running for the Democratic nomination, has been gathering historic crowds, much larger than anything Hillary Rodham Clinton or Trump have been able to manage. Saturday's rally drew 15,000 people. The following night in Portland, Ore., 28,000 reportedly attended. The best Clinton has done — in her adopted home state of New York, at her kickoff event no less — was 5,500.

    The Clinton team is clearly nervous. Her poll numbers have been plummeting as Sanders' have been surging. The campaign moved up its ad buys from November to this month. She's been tacking ever further left.

    The trouble for Clinton and the Democrats generally is that while Barack Obama was able to unite the factions of the left to get himself elected, it's not clear anyone else can.

    Obama wanted to be a Reagan of the left, a "transformative" president who moved the magnetic poles of American politics leftward. The jury is out on that project, but he did succeed in at least one sense. Reagan united foreign policy hawks, social conservatives and economic conservatives — the famous three legs to the stool of the conservative movement.

    Obama did something very similar on the left. He united the civil rights or identity politics wing, the economic or egalitarian wing and the more elitist technocratic wing. Obviously, these movements overlap — just as the different factions of the Reagan coalition overlapped — but each has its own priorities and passions.


    Aided by his experience as a former community organizer and his historic status as the first black president, Obama held the coalition together through force of personality.

    The Democratic Party has always had internal conflicts. Franklin D. Roosevelt's coalition contained socialist Jews and blacks and Southern segregationists. That coalition held for 20 years after his presidency. But the Obama coalition seems to be fraying while he's still in office, and none of his presumptive heirs have the charisma or skills to repair or sustain the coalition.

    Sanders has charm, but the Jewish socialist transplant from Brooklyn has spent his political life in a state that has only 7,500 blacks. He lacks the vocabulary to appeal beyond the white left. Meanwhile, the black left, an indispensable voting bloc, has no standard-bearer in the primaries and is clearly angry about it.

    Clinton's most comfortable in the role of elitist technocrat, which is great for fundraising from Wall Street and wooing Beltway journalists, but it's not so useful for wooing voters in a populist environment. Thanks to her husband, she still has goodwill among African Americans. But she lacks the charisma, passion or personal story to excite either the black left or the white left. The woman who left the White House "dead broke" makes five times the average American's annual income per speech.

    The GOP's Trump problem will eventually melt away. I suspect the Democrats' troubles are far more durable.

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-e...bernie-sanders-democrats-20150811-column.html
     
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    Donald Trump promised a crowd of 42,000 in Alabama, doesn't deliver

    MOBILE, Ala. — Before Donald J. Trump arrived at a college football stadium here on Friday evening, the colorful guessing games that often accompany his campaign were very much in the air.

    Would Mr. Trump actually fill all of the tens of thousands of seats at Ladd-Peebles Stadium, the home field for the University of South Alabama Jaguars? How would one of the largest cities in one of the country’s most conservative states respond to a candidate whose bombast and brashness can sometimes seem limitless? Would Mr. Trump wear a “Make America Great Again” baseball hat, perhaps to conceal the effects of the wilting Gulf Coast heat and humidity on his much-remarked-upon mane?

    As usual, the answers — no, loudly and yes — came amid the trademark gusto of both Mr. Trump’s personality and his evolving campaign for the presidency.

    “Now I know how the great Billy Graham felt, because this is the same feeling,” Mr. Trump, referring to the celebrated evangelist, thundered from a stage built for the night’s rally, where the vast stretches of empty seats indicated that attendance had fallen short of the more than 30,000 people he had predicted.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/22/u...ma-stadium-but-fans-zeal-is-undiminished.html
     
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    Perfect storm for someone like Bernie to swoop this election up.
    Although it is SOOOO early
     
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    Bernie Sanders Draws Largest Crowd to date in the Red State of Arizona. 7.18.15

    According to Phoenix Fire Marshal, the count was 11,347.
    Last week Donald Trump had 4,169 and in this reddest of states.


     
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    I don't understand. He's so old. If elected he is unlikely to be able to finish his Presidential term. Heck, he might die before the election takes place. Wait... he could die any fucking minute!!!!!!!! I know the issue of age is a big deal to libs. They logically believe that it isn't wise to elect a President that has the grim reaper creeping up on his backside.

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    The man above was 70 when he wanted to be President. Bernie is 73. That's ok because scientific research has shown that people are living longer and longer. In 2008, a 70 year old man was like... 103. In 2015 a 73 year old man is like a 2008 39. Oh wait. This isn't true? They're actually both old men? You mean the libs just used their "could die any minute" flimsy reasoning to justify electing the inexperienced, egomaniacal piece of shit that currently serves? The hell you say.

    Way to go on coming so far with your ageism in only 7 years libfucks.
     
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    mccaine sucks sanders doesnt thats the big difference to me, couldnt care less about age
     
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    The dark horse is Elizabeth Warren for the dems. Left like Sanders and able to get the hillary demo
     
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    The party of diversity loves their old white career politicians.
     
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    Trump gets biggest crowd of any 2016 candidate so far
    By Beckie Strum and Alyssa Newton

    August 22, 2015 | 6:30am

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    Donald Trump scored the biggest crowd of any presidential candidate so far this election year Friday, drawing 30,000 raucous, cheering fans to his rally at a college football stadium in Mobile, Ala.

    “I’m going to be the greatest jobs president that God ever created. You are going to be so proud,” he declared to tremendous cheers.

    The bombastic businessman kicked off an hourlong monologue about himself at Ladd Peebles Stadium with a joke about his hair. “If it rains, right, I’ll take off my hat and I’ll prove once and for all that it’s mine,” he quipped.

    Then he repeated his promise to build a wall along the southern border to keep out Mexicans.

    He claimed that “7.5 percent of all of the births in this country are illegal immigrants . . . 300,000 babies a year that you have to take care of, that we all have to take care of. In the case of other countries, they don’t do that.”

    He boasted about his annual income of $400 million a year and bashed politicians for accepting lobbyists’ cash. “I don’t want your money,’’ he insisted.

    He took a direct shot at Jeb Bush, saying the former Florida governor has “very low energy” and is “weak on immigration.”

    Bush got a dig in before Trump took the stage when his supporters flew a plane over the stadium with a banner that read: “Trump 4 Higher Taxes. Jeb 4 Prez.”

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    Trump provided his own aerial display. He had the pilot of his private 757, which he had boarded at La Guardia Airport, circle the stadium before landing.

    The audience lapped it all up.

    “We need more of a businessman rather than a politician I think running the country,” said Ronnie Dalimonte, 74, of Chickasaw, Ala., who was wearing a T-shirt that read “Re-elect no one.”

    “All these politicians all say the same garbage all the time, ‘Blah blah blah.’ Nothing gets done. Trump’s talking like I like to hear somebody talking.’’

    Some of The Donald’s diehard fans came from as far as LA and Pensacola, Fla., and waited up to seven hours in the steamy Alabama heat to score the best seats.

    “I think he’s honest — at least he don’t lie. If there’s something that they got on him, [he’ll say] ‘I’ll tell you straight up, I’ve done it, but I did it for this reason,’ ” said Dean Suits, 67, of Foley, Ala.

    Johnny Coleman, of Mobile, said, “I’m really an independent, but he’s saying some stuff we talk about at the house, that people talk about on the job. Stuff he’s saying makes sense.”


    Prior to Friday night, the biggest crowd was the 28,000 people who showed up for Democrat Bernie Sanders in Oregon.
     
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    Sanders is going to win. People are sick of Bushs and Clintons. He has the student grass roots and blacks going which is huge. Sanders is a good guy even if you don't agree with him.
     
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    America's going to vote for an Old Cantankerous Jewish Socialist who thinks America spends too much time producing different deodorants and not enough time producing enough food for the poor?

     
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    Are American voters stupid enough to vote for a Socialist? Have we really become so dumb that we want to be like Venezuela? American "poor people" are some of the richest people on the planet. We need to give them even more free stuff?


    I wouldn't want to be President, but we're really scraping the bottom of the barrel this time around.

    Biden will be 74 years old in 2016
    Sanders will be 75 years old in 2016
    Hillary will be 69 years old in 2016
    Donald Trump will be 70 years old in 2016.

    Old man Ronald Reagan was 69 years old during his election year. He seems like a youngster compared to this ancient crowd of kooks & Dems (and I think the Democratic Party has a better shot of getting someone elected).

    It's not an easy job being POTUS. Your age and fitness have a lot to do with your success. George Bush used to run nearly 20 miles per week while in office, and he worked out on elliptical machines and with weights. Bernie Sanders looks like he'd topple over if you threw him a football.

    Shoot, Dawg thinks I'm old because I'm in my 40's. How can people support such ancient humans for the toughest job on the planet?
     
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    why not say " I know the issue of age is a big deal to sternfans "
    since all ppl in all groups are the same
     
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    The numbers are more like 20k but even at 28k the mighty Trump is having a heck of a time against an old socialist, no?

    27,500 for Bernie Sanders in LA

    100k to the last few.

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-sanders-california-20150811-story.html
     
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    Just to be clear, Trump just held a 30,000 person rally, which was the biggest of the political season for any candidate on either side.

    That means Trump has larger crowds than Bernie


    30,000 turn out for Trump's Alabama pep rally
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/21/politics/donald-trump-rally-mobile-alabama/



    The crowd of about 30,000 at Ladd-Peebles Stadium gave Trump, the front-runner among Republican candidates, a rock-star reception, applauding wildly for descriptions of his accomplishments and booing at the mention of Obamacare, lobbyists and illegal immigrants.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/08/21/donald-trump-alabama-rally/32140669/
     
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    ooh, he beat the old socialist by 500 people, big fucking deal. Trump is getting the media attention while Sanders is not, how do you suppose Sanders is matching his crowds?
     
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    Sander also slaughtered Trump in Arizona, a red sate :jj:
     
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    Trump drew 4k people in a red state lol

    According to Phoenix Fire Marshal, the count was 11,347.For Sanders
    Last week Donald Trump had 4,169 and in this reddest of states.
     
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    It is sad that Sanders is appealing to so many young people. He is a socialist, a policy that is unsustainable. All that means is that young people have not been taught Patriotism, individual liberty. They do not foresee a future other than Government. Sad.
     
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