Politics Berniecare would increase total federal spending by 55% (at least)

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  1. Tim

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    Sanders Adviser: Berniecare Would Increase Total Federal Spending by 55 Percent (at Least)


    Yesterday, the Bernie Sanders campaign put out a fiscal score for Sanders’ plan to replace the entire U.S. health-care system with a government-run single-payer regime. The score was generated by Gerald Friedman, an economist at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst.

    The plan would make nearly all health-care services free to all U.S. residents, regardless of price or value. As anyone who has been to an open bar knows, when you make the apparent cost of a service “free,” the nearly certain outcome is more consumption, not less. The only way to keep costs down under single-payer is to control access and price, as Canada has attempted to do. It’s far from clear that American doctors, hospitals, nurses, et al. will accept the 15 percent pay cut needed to realize Friedman’s savings.

    Nonetheless, if you take Friedman’s rosy scenario for granted, you’re still looking at an astounding 55 percent increase in total federal spending from 2017 to 2026. That’s because under current law, “only” 31 percent of U.S. health-care spending is run through the federal government, while 19 percent goes through state and local governments, 21 percent through businesses, and 29 percent through households. So if the federal government were to assume responsibility for all U.S. health-care spending, even with some rationing and price controls, federal spending would increase by $28 trillion from 2017 to 2026. Of that, $14 trillion would be paid for by taxes, and the rest would increase the deficit.

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...plan-would-increase-total-federal-spending-55


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    *TimDD note: We are 19 trillion in debt.
     
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    In other news, single payer would reduce private spending on healthcare by 28 trillion.

    Wonder if that would help our economy?
     
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    We all know what happened the last time a Democrat presidential candidate made promises about healthcare. Double L ain't falling for that shit again.
     
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    Gee, I wonder where that 28 trillion would come from?
     
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    You tongue thrusting the end of a rifle barrel whilst toe fucking the trigger may not help the economy as much but it sure would be great. :pray:
     
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    Simple ... we can just borrow it from China!
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    Pixie dust.
     
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    Sure, because people spend other people's money more efficiently than they spend their own, the government operates more efficiently than the private sector... So the government overseeing the spending of other people's money should be really efficient.

    That's just my sarcastic way of pointing out the hole in your argument: you assume things will cost the same as they do now... They won't.

    There's also the fact that everything the republicans said would happen if the democrats ignored them and just rammed through their own plan has happened... It's a great idea to ram another one-sided plan down our throats...
     
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    Taxes, plus reduction of wasteful military spending.

    In return business hire more, economy grows, tax revenue increases.
     
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    In the case of health care that is true.

    Medicare is more efficient by far than any private health insurance plan.

    The article even says so, "Friedman believes that Sanders’ single-payer plan would reduce national health-care spending (both public and private) by $6.3 trillion over ten years"
     
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    The only way they're lowering healthcare costs is by cutting services. In Oregon alone, their reimbursement plan was wiped out by a single drug. Those with rare diseases will have to just shut up and deal, right?
     
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    Got it. So, reduce consumer spending on healthcare but make up for it by charging us more in taxes. Also, make America weaker.

    Please please please kill yourself, you stupid faggot.
     
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    they didnt wana be a part of it cause then they couldnt have won elections simply by saying the word 'obamacare'
    it was very smart political strategy. it was PC

    i dont believe it had anythng to do with the bill itself
    if they wanted to change the bill for the better they could. no?
     
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    That's the same excuse Obama used since 2008 on everything he wasn't able to get accomplished. It's the excuse of a shitty leader.

    Remember back to 2009. The democrats were arguing with THEMSELVES because they knew they went too far. That's where the "you'll have to pass it to find out what's in it" came to light. It was one of the biggest con jobs and payoffs in American history.

    With single payor, the sovaldis of the world (look it up) will bankrupt the system. The big campaign payments and pharmaceutical lobby will make sure of that. Hillary has twice now deflected when asked about her Wall Street contributions... Think she's gonna crack down on lobbyists? Lol.
     
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    im not the leader, and im not making excuses.
    im saying what i believe happened and why.
    i thought u were saying the Rs wanted to have input on the bill

    ive never heard bam make the point i did, that the Rs arent really against the bill and its just political shtick.
     
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    I misread then, thought you were saying that the republicans just didn't want to be a part of the debate. They did, they were just ignored. Remember Obama saying that the republicans "will have to sit in the back of the bus for a while"?

    Your point is interesting, but I don't buy it.
     
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    This election is disappoint.
     
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    i agree the immature dems (not including bam, he wanted bipartisan bills cause it benefits him) didnt allow them, but they also didnt want to.
    u dont buy that they used being against 'obamacare' to their political advantage?

    they control congress, they can write and put up for vote any change to the bill they want. (the dems wont let them excuse dont work anymore)
    why not an exemption for biz small. that would be very helpful to the economy.