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I've been playing this franchise for over 20 years. Pretty excited about this.
Firaxis has announced Civilization VI, the next game in the long-running 4X series. I ask lead designer Ed Beach about the sequel's new features, from revamped cities to a more active research system.
"A lot of this development team is the same development team that pushed Civ 5 through to the Brave New World expansion," says Ed Beach, lead designer of Civilization VI. "We're very proud of the work we did there." At the same time, that familiarity meant Beach and his team were aware of how players approached Civ 5. "We noticed that there are certain key approaches that people all share in common. We're sort of in a rut, where all the players are playing Civ 5 the same way. Everyone says go for four cities, but probably not too much more than that. There are certain policy trees that are well worth it, other policy trees that they don't find that they're using."
With Civilization VI, Firaxis wants a game that doesn't settle into an established meta. "We want players to have to think on their feet more," says Beach. "We want a situation where you have to react to what the game is presenting for you. What the map is giving you, your starting position, what it means to have certain leaders next to you." It's all designed to provide a more varied, improvisational campaign.
Cities are made up of districts
In Civilization VI, each building type is part of a district, and each district exists as a separate tile. "You have a campus tile, and that's where all your research is going on – you have your library, university and research lab all in that campus tile." Similarly, there will be military tiles, industrial tiles and harbours. "There are 10 to 12 different types of tile that you'll put around your city," says Beach, "and the player now has this intricate layout puzzle, where they decide where districts go around their city. That becomes a cool, fun way to develop your empire that has a layer of depth that we didn't have before."
District placement is more than just an aesthetic choice. Some map tiles will convey bonuses to specific districts. Mountains are great for studying the skies, so offer bonuses to your science campus. Mountains are also an imposing spot for worship – providing a boost to your faith. "Every district has a good place to put it. You're trying to manage where those go with where all the resource tiles are. It becomes a fun layout puzzle of trying to maximise your bonuses."
District tiles also convey information. By looking at a city's districts you can easily tell what that city does. At a glance, you'll be able to see which of your cities is dedicated to which resource. The same holds true for rival civilizations. From the main map screen, you'll be able to easily identify the city that, if captured or destroyed, could cripple an enemy's production.
Research is more active
Unlike in previous Civilizations, research speed isn't based purely on your civilisation's science output. "Now there are things, for pretty much every technology in the game, that you can do out in the game world to push you in that direction," says Beach. "So if you want to push masonry or construction because you want to build walls, you better go out and establish a quarry. That's going to teach your citizens the skills they need to become good at masonry." Your empire learns by doing.
"If you want to develop a navy, in previous games of Civilization you could research all the technology for that without even having settled a city along the coast. Here you actually get a significant boost towards sailing when you put that city on the coast. You can get further boosts for other naval technologies by creating fishing boats and starting to harvest naval resources."
Some research boosts will be available based on the terrain around you – feeding into Firaxis's aim of incentivising specific strategies based on your starting location. "Players are going to have to think through: 'look at this start position, this is a great one for me to push on horseback riding and develop a very mobile military. I'm going to push this direction and go through that part of the tree this time.'"
AI leaders have an agenda
Firaxis wants diplomacy to feel more dynamic, and to force players to work out the political landscape on the fly. "Each AI leader has a historical agenda that's appropriate to their historical personality," says Beach. "We've chosen for each of them to have a play style that's unique but appropriate for their role in leading their country in history."
One leader might be fanatical about allying with city states. That forces you into a decision: back off from city states and potentially be friends, or compete over a state's affection and maybe come to blows. "You have to adjust to the different personalities that you meet and find out what makes them happy and what's going to anger them. That's going to vary from one leader to the next, and give each civilisation a very different feel."
Of course, these historical traits can be learned by the player and applied to future playthroughs. To combat that, Firaxis takes traits that aren't historically tied to leaders and secretly assigns them at the beginning of each game. "As you go through the game, you can discover what they are by spying on them or trying to learn more secrets about them. Once you've learn that about other leaders, you can fully unlock the diplomatic landscape."
I ask what is, to my mind, the most important question of all. If a leader's traits are historical, will Gandhi be less fond of nuclear armageddon? "We have a special way of handling him. Initially he's going to seem very peaceful, but he'll have a dark side."
Support units can be embedded into other units
Civilization VI isn't removing Civ 5's one unit per tile rule, but Firaxis is dialling back on some of the harsher restrictions. "One thing we wanted to do was make sure you could tie units together. In Civ 5, it was tough to escort your settlers across the map because you couldn't tie them to a military unit," says Beach. Additionally, Beach notes, armies were perhaps a little too spread out. "When you need to concentrate your force to take out a city, everything being on its own tile was a problem at that point."
Beach describes support units as, "something that was part of your military force before, that really shouldn't have had to take up a tile." As the name suggests, it's supporting equipment: battering rams, siege towers, anti-tank guns and anti-air guns. "All the stuff that's like special equipment for you units. In Civ 5 you had to have a separate tile, but we've gone away from that."
Multiplayer won't take all day
"That's been the bane of Civilization multiplayer's existence for quite a while – the sessions can be so long," says Beach. To combat this, Firaxis has implemented not just a quicker multiplayer game speed, but also a specific scenarios and unique victory sets designed for a shorter game. "You can have a meaningful [multiplayer] session with a very clear goal, and we're trying to set it up so it's a one or two hour session."
For example, a campaign that starts at the beginning of the middle ages, and runs until the end of the Renaissance. From there, a specific victory condition is added – for instance, the player with the strongest religion wins. "We have a system where we can roll conditions like that, and each of those can be a multiplayer scenario that we can present to players. We can quickly develop a whole bunch of those and offer them." Such scenarios won't be exclusive to multiplayer, either. They'll also be available in solo campaigns.
It sure looks way different.
i've played since civ II. i played his space game and civil war game too.
i didn't get civ at first because my other games all had a lot of motion and action. i was like, this piece can only move 2 spaces? wtf?
I played all the early Sid Meier games back when they came out. They were good for the times. Not sure I could sit there all night doing it anymore. These early games would keep me awake until 2AM, LOL. Everyone said I was wasting my time. DUH!!
If I need to catch up on my sleep I'll track this game down.
Should be fun. Big fan. Great use of music from Sunshine.
I'm still playing V.
Been working on a maximum length game for over a year now. It's a great game to pick up and play every now and then.
It's almost like playing chess.
It looks amazing.
I've loved this series since it's 2nd one (which is still playable)
I've always liked the idea of the game, but it looks like a lot of work. I also prefer a 100% top-down hex based look at the map. The animations and such are fine, but I prefer more precision. The market has of course disagreed with me.
I noticed all the theme park simulation games are old. That must have died off too.
Game looks great. Nice to see they are addressing multiplayer. I'm going to check out that new rts game stellaris tonight.
Those guys look way too big to live in those tiny houses.
Would not play.
I'm a big fan as well. I think Beyond Earth fixed the few gripes I had about Civ 5. It'll be interesting to see if they can improve on it.
BTW, how's your finger?
In Civ V you had the option to turn the grid on, which made everything a lot clearer.
This one is coming soon, and everyone who's played the beta absolutely loved it.
Still broken... Gonna do another x ray on the 17th. The splint is starting to itch now. It's so goddamn annoying.
Haven't played beyond earth. I'm not too big a fan of the sci fi theme.
Too addictive. This game, while fun, definitely had a negative effect on my life. Sooo much wasted time.