Cops to Congress: We need logs of Americans' text messages

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  1. HS Cult Leader

    HS Cult Leader Elite Member Gold

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    [h=1]Cops to Congress: We need logs of Americans' text messages[/h] by Declan McCullagh
    December 3, 2012 9:00 AM PST


    State and local law enforcement groups want wireless providers to store detailed information about your SMS messages for at least two years -- in case they're needed for future criminal investigations.


    AT&T, Verizon Wireless, Sprint, and other wireless providers would be required to record and store information about Americans' private text messages for at least two years, according to a proposal that police have submitted to the U.S. Congress.
    CNET has learned a constellation of law enforcement groups has asked the U.S. Senate to require that wireless companies retain that information, warning that the lack of a current federal requirement "can hinder law enforcement investigations."
    They want an SMS retention requirement to be "considered" during congressional discussions over updating a 1986 privacy law for the cloud computing era -- a move that could complicate debate over the measure and erode support for it among civil libertarians.
    As the popularity of text messages has exploded in recent years, so has their use in criminal investigations and civil lawsuits. They have been introduced as evidence in armed robbery, cocaine distribution, and wire fraud prosecutions. In one 2009 case in Michigan, wireless provider SkyTel turned over the contents of 626,638 SMS messages, a figure described by a federal judge as "staggering."........

    Continued.. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-5...ress-we-need-logs-of-americans-text-messages/
     
  2. FlaFlaFlunkie

    FlaFlaFlunkie Fabulous!

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    They're reading our text messages, our email messages, listening to our phone calls.

    There's just no such thing as privacy in this country.
     
  3. itpdude

    itpdude New Member

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    Shit, the texts me and a buddy exchange regularly could easily be taken out of context. We joke about some pretty dark stuff.

    Example from last week:

    "Am I in possession of child porn if I have naked pictures of myself at age 12?"

    His reply: "I don't know. Give them to me and I'll tell you."
     
  4. Chimney Portions

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    That's what pisses me off about the people who say, "Well if ya got nothing to hide, why do you care?"

    I can only imagine the things I've said in jest that could be used to fuck me if they were taken out of context. It's pretty fucking scary and sad when law abiding citizens have to watch what they say, text and email to their own friends and loved ones.

    I don't know. Anybody who denies that we have become a true police state is either a liar or delusional. The courts just ruled that cops can put video cameras on your property without warrants. Now the police are openly asking Congress to pass laws as if Congress should see all Americans as potential criminals.
     
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    Dainty Jainty New Member

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    I'll do all in my power to move if this should come to pass. Good luck to the rest of ya! You can come visit me. :)
     
  7. SiriusDawg

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    Funny, a few years ago we were told to accept this as a "price for freedom" and anyone who didn't like it was "Anti-American"

    Just a coincidence I guess
     
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    but they're doing this for our protection
     
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    itpdude New Member

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    I agree. Even if the stuff isn't taken out of context and, say, the government or a corporation wants to discredit someone by getting hold of their texts and find a person who has a "sick" sense of humor.

    Can you imagine? "What kind of person jokes about possessing child-porn?" if they were to look at my above text exchange. It's obvious to me and my buddy that we were joking. We know each other that way.

    But it would be viewed, along with other texts, very badly by most people. I should have a reasonable expectation of privacy but I don't because a lot of Americans have that philosophy, and this philosophy was around before 9/11, that if you aren't doing anything wrong, you've got nothing to hide.

    Which is an argument of scoundrels.
     
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    Hah, no kidding. You were "with the terrorists" if you didn't happily go along with, say, the Patriot Act. Or being silly. There were people who said stuff like, "the government isn't going to target me because I'm one of many. I'm in the middle of the herd."

    As if it was okay when the government cherry-picked a few.
     
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    The only way to fight this is to get off the grid. But how do you do that? :jj:
     
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    It's bullshit, a text is a private communication like a phone call and should not be recorded/saved for the pigs.
     
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    First SOPA now this bullshit.
     
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    i agree completely. they should get a fucking warrant.

    God damned 4th Amendment isn't worth the paper upon which it was written. :pissed:
     
  15. Macro57

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    Is it really private if it happens on government regulated radio waves?
    Everyone could always go back to landlines and beepers if they want to keep their conversations private.
     
  16. FlaFlaFlunkie

    FlaFlaFlunkie Fabulous!

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    There is an expectation of privacy, though and that's the standard that most courts use when determining if law enforcement oversteps their boundaries.
     
  17. itpdude

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    Other than the libertarians, the ones who have been libertarian forever and were mostly drummed out of the TP movement quickly, the TP won't protest this kind of stuff. It's strange.

    Even my mother and I argued about this kind of stuff when I was a politically developing teen. She liked to say, "if you aren't doing anything wrong, you don't have to worry." Which was strange to me because I was a kid who changed schools a lot and got blamed for a lot of shit I didn't do (vandalism, cursing (I really didn't curse as a kid), stealing a car, bringing a knife to school, etc). "Who did this?"

    The new kid, of course.

    People are so damn stupid or short-sighted or in denial. Time and time again we have seen, as humans, how other humans abuse power. We can go back as far as the Salem Witch Trials or look to as recently as the Duke Lacrosse Case to find evidence of abuses of power and outright lying by our government officials and elders.

    One that hit me hard as a kid was when Richard Jewell was utterly destroyed by the media, corporate heads, and local and federal law-enforcement in the aftermath of the 1996 Olympic Bombing. It was so damn clear that the corporate heads and government officials were willing to destroy Richard Jewell in order to falsely assure people it was safe to attend the games. They KNEW it was not Jewell making that call about a bomb being at Centennial Park.

    But they needed a patsy and Jewell was their man. It happened fairly recently. And party doesn't matter. Democrat Janet Reno and Republican businessman Billy Payne pushed the Jewell theory hard.

    It's a whole thing.
     
  18. balloon knot

    balloon knot Well-Known Member

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    the federal government over reach has been out of control for a looooonnngggg time. not the past 4 years, not 8 years before that either
     
  19. harlock

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    Doubleplus good
     
  20. Beth Eats Hay

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    Well, let's try to put a positive spin on this.....

    Perhaps pigs' wives will use this trick to track down and prove the adultry being committed by their swine spouses.