Dr. Ruth Says Women Can't Say No To Sex Once Naked In Bed With Aroused Partner…...

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    Dr. Ruth Says Women Can't Say No To Sex Once Naked In Bed With 'Aroused' Partner

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    Famed sex therapist and advice columnist Dr. Ruth Westheimer has come under fire this week for comments made during a radio interview about sexual consent. Specifically, Westheimer said on the Diane Rehm Show Monday that if a woman is already naked in bed and her partner is “aroused,” she can no longer say no to sex.

    While on the topic of campus sexual assault, Westheimer told Rehm:

    I know it's controversial, but for your program, I'm going to stand up and be counted and ... be very honest. I am very worried about college campuses saying that a woman and a man or two men or two women, but I talk right now about woman and man, can be in bed together, Diane, and at one time, naked, and at one time, he or she -- most of the time they think she can say, I changed my mind. No such thing is possible.



    "[A]t the height of arousal, just when he's very aroused, strong erection, when she's very aroused, either he or she cannot change their mind," she later added.

    Westheimer cited the Jewish tradition of the Talmud to back up her claim.

    “In the Talmud ... it says when that part of the male anatomy is aroused and there’s an erection, the brain flies out of that and we have to take that very seriously, so I don’t agree with that,” she said.

    As Mic.com points out, this isn’t the first time that the 86-year-old sex therapist has made this argument. In March, she told Haaretz that “it’s nonsense” to “suddenly” change one’s mind “at the height of sexual arousal.”

    “It will lead to many more problems. The idea of consent is nonsense. Except consent before they are naked in bed,” she told the newspaper.

    After her recent comments drew widespread backlash, Westheimer took to Twitter to clarify her stance, insisting that she is “100% against rape.”


    Westheimer then used a jaywalking analogy to try and explain her position.


    Several rabbis told the Jewish Telegraphic Agency this week that they firmly disagree with Westheimer’s comments.

    “I’m grateful that Dr. Ruth has in the past made a space to talk about human sexuality in a way that was really radical for its time,” Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg told the news outlet. “But a) she’s wrong about this, and b) she should not be using our tradition to bolster her argument.”

    Ruttenberg stressed that the Talmud “actually offers a strong argument that sex without explicit consent is a crime.”

    Rabbi Shmuley Boteach told JTA that “anyone in the Jewish community should strongly object” to what Westheimer said.

    “The idea that men are ravaging beasts who are controlled by their hormones and can’t stop themselves is a Neanderthal view that Judaism would never embrace. It’s a shockingly frightening excuse for rape,” he said.

    The Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network (RAINN) is very clear on its definition of consent. Consent is “about communication,” the organization writes on its website, and it can be withdrawn “at any point.”

    "It doesn’t matter if you think your partner means yes, or if you’ve already started having sex -- 'No' also means 'Stop,'" RAINN says. "If you proceed despite your partner’s expressed instruction to stop, you have not only violated basic codes of morality and decency, you may have also committed a crime under the laws of your state."
     
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    <Printing out and handing to my wife>












    <and girlfriend>
     
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    is that a wax figure?
     
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    it is an extremely rude thing to do
     
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    I ALWAYS thought Dr. Ruth was a dude! This confirms it.

    Once you light that solid rocket booster, it's liftoff, baby.
     
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    wha'ts really amazing is someone fucks that. theoretically
     
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    and to think of the times I missed out.
     
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    Well, she is correct.
     
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    Lets see what she says when Lexington Steele is laying next to her.
     
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    Dr. Ruth, I like the cut of your jib.
     
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    She should expect protests if she ever appears on a campus again. :chair:

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    she's still alive?
     
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    Howard related because the high of popularity for both of them was the early 90's.
     
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    no, 4, 2, 3, no, 1
     
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    My thoughts exactly! :jj:
     
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    How much are guys paying her to print this? :jj:
     
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    heyStRyDeRxX , i'd start a thread but i'm lazy...what did you think of 'chappie'...just watched it recently & thought both were amazing, especially yolandi.
     
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    Rape culture. Joke. Only if you're living in a cushy country in the west could you even conceive such a thing. Countries that are WROL or on the verge of anarchy could actually, possibly have an actual rape culture. But wait, men and women are the same so rape culture is impossible even there. Women are as strong and aggressive as men in everything, right? Feminism is a lie that crumbles under even slight scrutiny. Only ugly broads with low smv can fall for it. The cuter chics who play along are just slumming and are the worst kind of allies. End rant.
     
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    She continued:

    "Otherwise you'll give him blue balls. And that's torture, really."