Politics Effective gun control?

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  1. Beth143nacho

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    With the notable exception of Jim Webb, whose many talents seem better suited to another time and place, every single one of the Democratic party’s presidential candidates is in favor of banning at least some of America’s “in common use” firearms. In her recent gun-control missive, Hillary Clinton contended that “military-style assault weapons” are “a danger to law enforcement and to our communities,” and therefore “do not belong on our streets.” On his campaign website, Martin O’Malley boasts that, while he was governor there, “Maryland prohibited the sale of assault weapons and limited the size of magazines,” and proposes that the federal government, should “adopt similar, commonsense reforms.” In 2012, CBS reports, then–Rhode Island governor Lincoln Chafee “backed a state measure to ban semi-automatic assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.” And, although he has stayed pretty quiet on the question this time around, Bernie Sanders voted to ban “assault weapons” during the failed Senate push of 2013, and would, he confirmed last week, happily do so again. All in all, this focus is a little strange, for, as Lois Beckett explained extremely clearly last year in the pages of the New York Times, there is in fact no such thing as an “assault weapon.” Functionally speaking, the term is entirely meaningless. It does not mean “machine gun”; it does not mean “especially powerful rifle”; it does not mean “child killer” or “cop murderer” or “armor-piercer.” Except insofar as it nods to an aesthetic style that is popular among people who have watched a lot of 24, it means nothing much at all. To draw an analogy, it’s the “organic food” of the self-defense world. RELATED: Hillary Clinton Is Openly Promising to Amend Federal Gun Laws by Executive Order Don’t believe me? Just ask the Violence Policy Center’s Josh Sugarmann, who, in a publicly available 1989 position paper, announced his intention to mislead the public into supporting a ban on everyday rifles by pretending that they were machine guns. “Until someone famous is shot, or something truly horrible happens,” Sugarmann wrote, “handgun restriction is simply not viewed as a priority.” But maybe, he continued cynically, another area might be ripe for exploitation instead: Assault weapons — just like armor-piercing bullets, machine guns, and plastic firearms – are a new topic. The weapons’ menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons – anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun – can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons. Contrary to popular belief, Sugarmann did not invent the term “assault weapon”; marketing departments within the firearms industry did that. Nevertheless, he and his supporters have been more than happy to abuse it in order to advance their agenda, and to do so in the full knowledge that they are perpetrating a fraud. It is thus that a phrase that started life as little more than glossy retail pabulum has become a sharp and effective tool with which the enemies of the right to keep and bear arms have sought to sow confusion, fear, and ignorance. It is thus, too, that a set of quotidian weapons that have never posed much of a problem to anybody come to sit at the center of the national debate. RELATED: The Second Amendment Is One Supreme Court Justice from Repeal It is difficult to overstate just how absurd this is. Even if we were to swallow whole the novel set of definitions that the advocates of “assault”-weapons legislation have imposed upon our national deliberations, the case in favor of their coveted laws would remain all but nonexistent. Between 1994 and 2004, Americans were flatly barred from purchasing or transferring 660 arbitrarily selected semi-automatic firearms and from obtaining any magazine that could hold more than ten rounds. This prohibition had no discernible impact whatsoever. Charged in 1997 with evaluating the short-term impact of the measure, the National Institute of Justice reported bluntly that “the evidence is not strong enough for us to conclude that there was any meaningful effect (i.e., that the effect was different from zero).” A second study – commissioned to coincide with the ban’s expiration in 2004 — calmly echoed this conclusion, while noting for the record that there hadn’t been much of a problem in the first instance. No subsequent inquiry has contradicted these assessments. How about now, a decade later: Have things changed? Nah. In 2014, the FBI reports, there were 11,961 murders in the United States, of which 8,124 were carried out with firearms. (Happily, this represents a now-typical four percent drop from 2013.) Of those 8,124, fewer than 3 percent were carried out with rifles of all sorts and so few were executed with so-called assault weapons that the agency didn’t even bother to keep statistics. If she so wishes, Hillary Clinton can contend theatrically that cosmetically altered rifles are “a danger to law enforcement and to our communities.” But that will not make it true — not even close. In fact, rifles are the least popular killing tools in the United States. Per the FBI, this is how Americans killed each other in 2014: Handguns: 5,562 (47 percent) Unknown firearms: 2,052 (17 percent) Other weapons: 1,610 (13 percent) Knives and Cutting Instruments: 1,567 (13 percent) Hands, feet, fists, pushing: 660 (6 percent) Shotguns: 262 (2 percent) Rifles: 248 (2 percent) By definition, we cannot know what is inside that “unknown firearms” category. So, for the sake of argument, let’s distribute it proportionately among the existing firearms groups: Handguns: 7,442 (62 percent) Other weapons: 1,610 (13 percent) Knives and Cutting Instruments: 1,567 (13 percent) Hands, feet, fists, pushing: 660 (6 percent) Shotguns: 350 (3 percent) Rifles: 332 (3 percent) MORE GUN CONTROL READ THE SINGLE-BEST POST ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN STATE HOMICIDE RATES AND STATE GUN LAWS HILLARY CLINTON IS OPENLY PROMISING TO AMEND FEDERAL GUN LAWS BY EXECUTIVE ORDER POLITICIANS ON SOLVING MASS SHOOTINGS: SHOOT FIRST, AIM LATER Were Clinton, Sanders, O’Malley & co. to shed the hysteria and the nonsense and to rest their political platforms upon the host of useful information that is available to them, they would inevitably conclude that America’s problem is handguns and not rifles, and that it is preposterous to argue otherwise. All things being equal, they would comprehend also that those who are prepared to cross the Rubicon and propose a limited federal ban should be making the case that everyday pistols are the culprits in the mix, and that it is they, not AR15s, that should be prohibited. Alas, by refraining from engaging seriously they do little but confuse. Addressing this issue, Hillary Clinton likes to submit mawkishly that she is not willing to “accept as ‘normal’ 30,000 gun deaths every year,” and then to bang on about a type of weapon that is used about as frequently in crime as is the human elbow. Were she serious, she would understand that this position is farcical, and that she is beclowning herself by proposing it. Assault weapons, aschmault weapons. It is time to put away childish things.

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...e-gun-controllers-phony-war-charles-c-w-cooke
     
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    You don't believe in punctuation control either?
     
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    That is tl;dr even for me.
     
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    Short version: what the dems tote as gun control is just a way to win votes from stupid people
     
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    i didn't realize that even needs being stated.
     
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    Effective gun control is using two hands.
     
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    Under the proposed rule change, dealers who exceed a certain number of sales each year would be required to obtain a license from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and perform background checks on potential buyers.

    big deal. that is still weaker than we have in NY, NJ, and CT.
     
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    As long as the gun argument is being fought by the extreme left who think all guns should be turned into paperweights and the extreme right who think that the version of the 2nd amendment where they leave out the words that they don't agree somehow guarantees completely unrestricted firearms of all types and situations for anyone born in this country regardless of their criminal history or mental state there will never be any actual moves to fix the problem.

    On one side you have Dianne Feinstein who is still fighting a crusade for her dead friend who was killed almost 40 years ago and the NRA who constantly lie and create false fear in gun owners on the other because they don't work for the American people. They work for the gun and ammo companies.
     
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    "I fight with my fists, Robin. It doesn't even matter to me if the other guy has a gun. You fuck with me, you're going down."


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    because, as howard says, "you will slip & fall on my blood"
     
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    That's a long post dude.
     
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    Fuck Ronald Reagan!! That Dick fucking asshole wanted GUN control to tighten up right after he got shot in plain sight being surrounded by the fucking secret service who were all packing heat! God these fucking jack off people have not one fucking clue! Gun Control is a losing argument....like socialism and politics.
     
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    That's all this "debate" is about: justifying use of hitleresque executive orders. It's obamas mo. He's a completely I efrctive negotiator, so he throws a fit, created a boogeyman and then does whatever he wants. He's not keen on rules or checks & balances.
     
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    I'd recommend hiring private investigators to look into anyone who wants to own a gun to see if they're a responsible citizen or lunatic. However, then you have a right to privacy issue. I do think a case by case basis with this type of information is the best way to determine who should and should not own a gun.
     
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    The 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution
    "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

    On December 15, 1791, the Bill of Rights (the first ten amendments to the Constitution) was adopted, having been ratified by three-fourths of the states.

    any questions?
     
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