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  1. Beth143nacho

    Beth143nacho Well-Known Member VIP

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    Lib lob is as corrupt as any republican white collar...

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    Amazon Accused of Cheating on Free Shipping


    By SUSANNA KIM (@skimm) Mar 12, 2014, 1:57 PM
    Amazon claims that a $79 annual membership for Amazon Prime provides free two-day shipping on "millions" of items, but for some products, the company is accused of encouraging sellers to inflate shipping prices, according to two recent lawsuits.



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    “The bottom line is the free shipping that Amazon offered to its Prime members wasn’t free,†said Kim Stephens, attorney for one of the plaintiffs, adding that he was “shocked†by Amazon’s alleged pricing practices.


    Marcia Burke of Alabama says she became an Amazon Prime member and used its "free shipping" service at least 18 times in 2010, according to her lawsuit filed Friday in federal court in Seattle. Prime-eligible products are designated on Amazon's website.


    In what she hopes will be certified as a class-action lawsuit, Burke accuses Amazon of encouraging third-party vendors to increase their prices to Prime members by the amount they charged others for shipping, without revealing that a portion of those alleged "inflated" prices was for shipping fees, the lawsuit claims.


    "For example, if the price of an item is advertised for $10 with $3.99 shipping and the [vendor] wishes to match or top their price, the [vendor] would charge $13.99 or higher," Burke alleges in the suit.


    These sellers raise their prices to match or top their competitor’s total price, as items are sorted by price on Amazon's site, Burke alleges in the lawsuit.


    A spokesman for Amazon, Erik Fairleigh, declined to comment due to the firm's policy related to active litigation.


    Read More: Amazon Prime Membership Increases for First Time in 9 Years


    In the time period that the lawsuit covers, Oct. 24, 2007 to Feb. 22, 2011, the main benefit for Prime members was the free two-day shipping. Starting Feb. 22, 2011, Amazon increased Prime’s appeal by including extras, such as movie and television streaming and Kindle e-book borrowing, the lawsuit states.


    Watch: Undercover Shopping Can Mean Big Savings at Your Favorite Store


    “An item included in its stated price the cost of shipping, but you thought you were getting it free,†Stephens said.


    Stephens explained that a customer who was not a Prime member often paid less for a product and its shipping.


    “But together they would roughly equal the cost Amazon is charging Prime members for so-called free shipping,†he said.


    Burke is suing for breach of contract, and she is seeking a refund of all annual Prime membership fees for customers in the 2007-2011 period and treble damages under the Washington Consumer Protection Act, which prohibits "unfair or deceptive" acts in trade and commerce.


    Amazon's annual membership program has tens of millions of members worldwide, according to the company's quarterly earnings announcement in January. During that announcement, the company said it is "working hard to increase capacity for the Prime program," after it was "so popular that Amazon limited new Prime membership signups during peak periods" in December.


    Without paying for the annual subscription, non-Prime customers typically are charged by vendors for shipping that can be five to eight days, with higher costs for two-day shipping.


    Amazon charges these vendors a referral fee that's a percentage of the price of Prime-eligible products, the lawsuit states, and Amazon deducts as a referral fee a percentage of the item price, excluding any taxes collected through Amazon tax collection services.


    Burke claims Amazon recommends to its prime vendors that they raise the price of each item by an amount equal to normal shipping charges, which results in higher referral fees per item paid to Amazon by vendors.


    Read More: Secret Shopping Sites Looking to Put ‘Real Money’ in Your Pocket


    Another Amazon Prime customer, A. Cemal Ekin of Rhode Island, filed a similar lawsuit, alleging breach of contract and violation of the Washington Consumer Protection Act.


    "The routine inclusion and encouragement of inclusion of shipping charges in the prices of [certain vendor] Prime-Eligible items constitutes a breach of Amazon’s promise to Prime Program Members that shipping charges would not be included in the prices of items offered for sale as [vendor] Prime-Eligible, and violates Amazon’s agreement that shipping would be 'free,'" according to Ekin's lawsuit filed in February in the same Seattle court in which Burke filed her suit.


    Amazon has yet to file a legal response to Ekin's lawsuit.


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  2. Anyonenow

    Anyonenow Well-Known Member

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    another BS LAWSUIT.

    Nothing is Free.
    "shipping cost" is ALWAYS factored into the final Selling price with or without FREE shipping.

    Amazon and ebay collect a %% of "shipping" cost because morons were selling $500 items for $0.01 and adding $499.99 for shipping.
    They(azn/ebay) later put "reasonable" caps on shipping.
     
  3. newcastlefan

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    no

    amazon prices lower ticket items they fulfill with prime shipping equal to the amount of the item plus the normal shipping costs. if a third party vendor offers an item for $10 plus $3.00 shipping, Amazon sells the same item with prime shipping for $13. They have been doing this for at least the past year; its obvious if you comparison price their products. the only items where this does not occur is on bigger ticket items Amazon fulfills directly (Samsung TVs, Sonos components, Sony cameras, etc.) where the markup provided by the manufacturer is already sufficiently high to cover their shipping costs.
     
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    I hope Amazon loses this lawsuit. Those are some bullshit tactics! :mad:
     
  5. scoobyla

    scoobyla Well-Known Member

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    I been using Amazon for over 10 years and never paid any shipping, and I'm not a Prime member. Prime isn't necessarily because they ship fast anyways.
     
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    I actually paid for a Prime membership one year. I had a bunch of small orders coming up (Not super-saver eligible), then Christmas, so I figured I'd end up breaking even on shipping and getting 2-day delivery as a bonus.

    Well, I averaged 3-day delivery, which is fine, but my orders didn't ship for 3, 5, even 10 days! Amazon was holding the order for a week before shipping, so my 2-day delivery was really 10 or longer. I called to complain but they referred me to the Prime agreement which states that processing time isn't considered in the 2-day calculation. They extended my membership for 3 months for free but it really wasn't worth it. Since then, I've ordered using free "super-saver" shipping and the package got here in about the same timeframe.

    Right now, Fry's has the best shipping.
     
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    I've only had good experiences with Amazon Prime. And I order a ton of stuff.
    Been a great value for me. :dontknow:
     
  8. Beth143nacho

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    You're paying more than non-prime members for the same service (which would be fine if you weren't paying $75 a year and being told that you get better service)...

    its ts bait & switch and clear breach... This will go to class status.
     
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    I don't know that that's true. A lot of stuff I order gets here the next day!
    Plus you get free access to the amazon movie/tv thing.
    Don't mean to sound like a shill, but it seems worth it to me?
     
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    As a regular Amazon user I anxiously await a getting some money for getting defrauded, if I did that is.
     
  11. SouthernListen

    SouthernListen I don't follow the crowd. Sorry about that. VIP

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    Sorry, you're not going to have me crying over Amazon prices and shipping. The company itself obviously loses money on shipping, if you've dealt with them much. I can order a $10 item and they have it to me in 2 days at no extra cost. I can order 80 lbs of dog food and it gets here free. Go price that at UPS.com. It'd cost more than the dog food.

    As for 3rd party sellers, they set their own prices, and the buyer does not have to pay it. Who doesn't intrinsically understand that? 3rd party sellers don't have access to Amazon's warehouse and shipping price efficiencies, so they have to cover costs associated with shipping via the shipping charges. If they pay a shipper $8 to ship you something, they can't just charge $8 shipping. They have a staff and overhead to cover. They could give you "free shipping" and raise the price $8. Same difference.

    Does anyone really believe "free" anything is "free"? Of COURSE costs are rolled into the price, just as they are for all other costs.

    If someone in this day and age of being able to shop prices in a few keystrokes, rather than have to drive from place to place to do it, can't be bothered to check the total price with shipping and compare than against competitors, I'm not shedding any tears for them.

    On most things they are at or near the bottom in total price. They have an easy check out that saves me time, and I know they will stand behind the product. If that's not enough for some maybe they should just shop elsewhere.
     
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    I dunno if I agree with that.

    I've been a Prime member for years now. When you look at an item page, it will say "this item may be available for a lower price from other vendors". Second, they aren't forcing anyone to pay the price - if the item is $13.99, it's not as if they are hiding the price. There are many times I have noticed that the same item will be available through multiple vendors (including Amazon), and often the Prime price is higher. If people don't like the price, don't buy the item. As for Amazon encouraging vendors to raise prices on some items to match the Prime price.. is that illegal? Vendors who are selling for less are leaving money on the table otherwise.

    I don't see what contract was breached or where a bait-and-switch took place? They aren't displaying one price and charging another, nor did the Prime membership ever say that items eligible for Prime shipping had the same cost as other items. They even point out on their own item pages that items are cheaper elsewhere.

    I also sometimes use the $3.99 next-day shipping (just got a Kindle Fire HDX 8.9 this morning I used it for). It was $4 and shipped UPS Next-day in a pretty big box. I am sure Amazon has crazy negotiated prices with UPS, but no way that cost $4 for shipping - not to mention I get all the free instant video movies, free book rentals and some other stuff. Sounds like the lady bringing the suit was too dumb to realize or read what is written right on the Amazon product page.
     
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    Yeah, the end result of a class action lawsuit will get you $5. Seriously. It all goes to the fucking lawyers anyway.
     
  14. SouthernListen

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    There is a distinction here some may not realize. "Fullfilled by Amazon" and Amazon.com orders are not the same as an order placed to a 3rd party through the Amazon website. Amazon typically gets things out super fast. I ordered a TV set for my inlaws and the thing was there before I could even call to tell them to expect delivery! Every now and then there will be a delay, but you can always cancel the order and they always keep users updated with when something is expected to ship. Often the ad will say "ships in 10 days" or whatever if it is not able to go out immediately.
     
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    As Southern said above, those must have been items fulfilled by other vendors.

    For Prime items, it says on the product page "Order in the next 3 hours and receive this item by Wednesday". So their system has a cut-off that they know they can ship the item the same-day. The cut-offs are at different times... so if I look at computer monitors, some will say "order in the next 3 hours", some will say "order in the next 5 hours". It depends on which warehouse it's shipping from. Warehouses on the East coast have earlier deadlines, of course, than those on the West coast.
     
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    anyone else get the email yesterday that they are upping the prime cost to $100?
     
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    Got a great one the other day. As an Amex merchant/vendor (I take American Express cards for payment), it told me Amex had been sued for overcharging merchants who take Amex cards.

    The settlement was - get this - Amex agreed to stop overcharging merchants who take Amex cards and accepted merchants have a right to tack on a credit card fee, provided it was the same for all credit cards.

    In other words... "good news! Despite the fact that American Express has been fucking you in the ass for years, we have successfully sued them and won! You lose your rights to sue them for the ass-fucking you got, unless you follow this complicated procedure to opt out of the class. If you don't opt out, you lose all your rights to get any sort of recourse for Amex. But don't worry - we have reached a settlement on your behalf. Amex has agreed to stop fucking you in the ass!". Briilliant.
     
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    I've been getting those "complicated procedure" letters for a class-action lawsuit against Aetna and you're right: it's a giant pain-in-the-ass to opt out of the class.

    Why are you automatically opted in?
     
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    I've never noticed that. We have a Prime account and sometimes I log on to search and sometimes I don't. My wife will send me the link for something and it appears to be the same price. Got an example of an item that illustrates this?
     
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    I got that too - at least we got an extra month free because we complained after delivery of a prime item took almost a week to arrive.

    It would be pretty bad if they are in fact charging non-prime customers less for the same item.