Gamblers beat casino, must return money

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  1. Shithead

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    Gamblers ordered to return $1.5 million in casino winnings by New Jersey judge
    February 13, 2015 9:52 AM
    By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

    [​IMG] The Golden Nugget casino in Atlantic City, N.J. is shown in this 2012 file photo. Photo Credit: AP

    ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. - Gamblers who won $1.5 million at a casino after realizing the cards hadn't been shuffled have been ordered to return the money.

    State Superior Court Judge Donna Taylor has sided with the Golden Nugget casino in its long-running dispute with 14 gamblers who say the fault wasn't theirs and they should be allowed to keep their winnings.


    At issue were games of mini-baccarat played in April 2012 using decks of cards the casino had paid a manufacturer to pre-shuffle but that hadn't been shuffled. Once players realized the pattern in which the cards were emerging they drastically upped their bets from $10 a hand to $5,000 and won 41 straight hands.

    In the ruling, issued Monday and publicized by the casino on Thursday, the judge determined the games were illegal under state law because they didn't conform to gambling regulations specifying the way each game must be played.

    "The dealer did not pre-shuffle the cards immediately prior to the commencement of play, and the cards were not pre-shuffled in accordance with any regulation," the judge wrote. "Thus, a literal reading of the regulations ... entails that the game violated the (Casino Control) Act, and consequently was not authorized."

    She ruled that the gamblers must return any cash paid to them by the casino and any outstanding chips in their possession. The casino in turn must refund the gamblers the money they first put up to play.

    The Golden Nugget was pleased with the court's ruling, casino general manager Tom Pohlman said.

    "We believe it was the right decision," he said.

    A lawyer for the gamblers did not immediately respond to a message seeking comment on the decision. A lawyer for the casino's partner, Landry's Inc., said he expects the decision to be appealed.

    The Golden Nugget bought what were supposed to be pre-shuffled cards from a Kansas City manufacturer, which acknowledged in court it failed to shuffle them. The casino said its litigation with the manufacturer has been resolved but a confidentiality agreement prevents it from revealing details.

    The judge's ruling was the latest in a long series of decisions that have seesawed between favoring the casino and favoring the gamblers. The owner of the casino, Texas billionaire Tillman Fertitta, originally decided to let the players keep their winnings, but that offer was contingent on them dropping other claims they made against the casino, which they declined to do.

    The casino paid out about $500,000 in winnings for the disputed games. About $1 million in chips remains outstanding.
     
  2. Tipsey Russell

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    the house always wins


    they now have little choice but to get their hands good and shit covered and then rummage through the shrimp bowl at the buffet
     
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    not a chance in the world they'd be getting those chips from me.
     
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    Sounds like the Casino sued the manufacturer and got a settlement and now, they also want their money back from the gamblers.

    That sucks for the gamblers.
     
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    That's the casino and the company who supplied the cards problem. Not the gamblers.
    How did the dealer not notice what was going on and shut it down ?
    41 hands ? Sorry casino !
     
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    I worked at the Golden Nugget in AC from 80'-83'.when Steve Wynn owned it.
    I didn't think it was still in business in 2012.
     
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    That's fucking bullshit. As usual, if the casino is winning your money they are happy- when you win, they want to cry foul.

    That judge was paid off.
     
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    that is bullshit....
     
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    [​IMG]

    Maybe Joe Bob Briggs was working the floor that night
     
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    ...thats some bullshit right there.
     
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    Technically - and only technically, this ruling is correct, and important because otherwise it would set a legal precedent. However, it illustrates two things:

    1) the incompetence of the staff at the Golden Nugget

    2) the lack of character of the Golden Nugget.

    Therefore everyone should boycott every Golden Nugget - the ones in Atlantic City, Nevada, Louisiana, and Mississippi. The bad PR alone will cost more than $1.5 million.

    What they should have done was to reclaim the winnings and then issue out some sort of "bonus check" to recompense the gamblers. And hire better pit bosses.
     
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    I would fire that shit kicker if he wasn't the commissioners son in law.
     
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    Move to a non-extradition country.
     
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    I would like to know the other claims they refused to drop. The owner was willing to let them keep the money.
     
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    They did it over real nice stop.
     
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    that guy could fuck up a cup of coffee! :artiejj:
     
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    Ace Rothstein: Four reels, sevens across on three $15,000 jackpots. Do you have any idea what the odds are?
    Don Ward: Shoot, it's gotta be in the millions, maybe more.
    Ace Rothstein: Three fuckin' jackpots in 20 minutes? Why didn't you pull the machines? Why didn't you call me?
    Don Ward: Well, it happened so quick, 3 guys won; I didn't have a chance...
    Ace Rothstein: [interrupts] You didn't see the scam? You didn't see what was going on?
    Don Ward: Well, there's no way to determine that...
    Ace Rothstein: Yes there is! An infallible way, they won!
    Don Ward: Well, it's a casino! People gotta win sometimes.
     
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    Good question. Just what in the hell did these guys do to mess this up?

    "The owner of the casino, Texas billionaire Tillman Fertitta, originally decided to let the players keep their winnings, but that offer was contingent on them dropping other claims they made against the casino, which they declined to do."
     
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    Patriots coaching staff hits the casinos.
     
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    If you haven't seen this series it's great