gays are not "a people"

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  1. SuckerPays

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    Can we please distinguish between innate, instantly recognizable physical traits (e.g. sex, race, ethnicity) and predilections for a behavior? Sure, you don't choose your proclivities, but at the same time no one else can even be aware of your proclivities - let alone judge you - unless you choose to act on them (we have free will/self-control don't we?), and usually not unless you choose to make that choice public.

    Take any paraphilia, say paraphilic infantilism. It would be odd for someone to claim that infantalism is central to their "identity," "who they really are," etc., and in any case no one would consider infantalists an identity group, criticism of infantalism (or the moral position that infantilists should suppress their desires) an act of bigotry, or the suggestion that infantalism is tied at least in part to environmental factors (even, specifically, childhood dysfunction) somehow grossly offensive. How is homosexuality any different? Note that the choice for people in that case is usually not between homosexuality and total abstinence; sexuality is more fluid than that. Even Takei has fucked women, and he's as gay as it gets.

    We've had sexual freedom in this country for a long time. It seems what liberals want now is to achieve freedom from judgment by delegitimizing traditional moralism as another form of bigotry, and, ironically, punishing those who dare challenge liberal dogma with the same kind of social sanctions and ostracism from which they long suffered.
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    Re: Indiana - do you want to know why a religious person (who does that kind of work) might not want to help put on a gay wedding? Because they don't consider it a wedding! It's a celebration of debauchery for them. What's next - we force them to help out with the raunchy bachelor party as well?
     
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    Gitfiddle Live Deliciously

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    Thank you for your call
     
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    Condensed version please.
     
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    imissalison f**k Mutt Gold

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    It goes well beyond making a cake.
     
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    Alisonsbankacct Out to lunch.

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    He constantly is fighting certain "urges," if you catch my drift :secret:
     
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    bobo your on the air...
     
  8. Senator Rick

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    the fuck? are you trolling?
     
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    Ferris Bueller floating around

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    That went well.
     
  11. Droog

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    Mike from Cleveland, you're on the air.

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  12. I invented that

    I invented that VIP Extreme Gold POTY Politics

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    it's a numbers game, currently the threshold for acceptance is 1.6% of the population. that number will go down, don't give up your dreams:jj:

    a good PR firm could make a difference.
     
  13. Hugh Blowmont

    Hugh Blowmont Just be funny

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    5-star thread.
     
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    Hello Thomas!
     
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    Para infant huh? Are you a baby fucker dude ?
     
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    Alisonsbankacct Out to lunch.

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    I would ask for Eron's autograph if I ever met him.
     
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    :shitcoffee: Can we resume our normal activities now or do you have anything else to add? Take your time, think about this important topic some more.
     
  19. SouthernListen

    SouthernListen I'm here for an argument. No you're not. VIP

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    I thought it was a well-put argument, with some points I hadn't considered. Especially the part about reversing the stigmatization/ostracism onto those who feel that way.