Discussion in 'The Howard Stern Show' started by GaryPuppet, Jun 28, 2012.
In England and Canada......."What a bunch of fucking idiots"......
"You've got healthcare. And you've got healthcare. You're all getting healthcare!"
I don't know who to believe
Say bye bye to your private health insurance.
Time will tell
We get to buy health insurance for ourselves at gun point. yay!
well said ....pithy and with the saving grace of being correct
The SCOTUS ruled that people who can AFFORD health insurance (and don't have a religious exemption) can be "taxed" (fined) for not having it.
How is that "health care for everybody"?
The SCOTUS just essentially ruled that Congress can pass laws forcing you to buy a service or product or be penalized for it. Liberal, Conservative, Left, Right, I don't understand why that decision is a good thing.
Congress now has the authority to make somebody in Death Valley buy flood insurance. Surely that authority will never be abused.
just out of curiosity, how do you avoid/rebut the "personal responsibility" argument? If you can afford health insurance, why aren't you paying for an insurance plan and why SHOULDN'T you be forced into carrying insurance?
edit: I agree with you about the slippery slope of "any product congress deems necessary," but I don't think it's "any" product. Healthcare is a huge burden on the government. A similar standard of need should be established before requiring/approving any other type of tax.
everyone line up to receive your Obamaspirin
I'm self employed. I already buy my own insurance. At a high price I might add. I just hope my insurance doesn't go up to help pay for other poor people's insurance.
It absolutely IS any product. This is what Roberts' said:
On the individual mandate, the opinion said that "the Affordable Care Act's requirement that certain individual's pay a financial penalty for not obtaining health insurance may reasonably be characterized as a tax.""Because the Constitution permits such a tax, it is not our role to forbid it, or to pass upon its wisdom or fairness,"
The SCOTUS didn't make their ruling based on health care costs. It's entirely about Congress' ability to pass taxes under The Constitution.
As far as the personal responsibility argument, I really don't have one universal idea. I think it should be a state matter to be quite honest. But the notion that the Federal government can now determine what you can and can't afford based on income is a bit puzzling (and scary).
Can a single man making 40 grand a year afford health care in Lexington, Kentucky? Most likely. How about a single man making 40 grand a year who lives in Manhattan? And if health care costs are what's used to require people to pay a penalty for not buying insurance, what legal mechanism will stop, say, obese people and smokers from being "taxed" for failing to maintain a certain BMI or nicotine blood level?
Sure, these things are extremely unlikely and I'm not at all suggesting that Congress would ever pass any such bill, but they were just given the power to. I never understand why anybody gets excited to see federal authority grow.
I must by law purchase and maintain auto insurance for my cars
if i don't the cops will be all over me.
the penalty is a lot cheaper than insurance. poor families can scrounge up the 600 bucks or so in new taxes to avoid being tossed in prison.
Driving isn't a right. Living is. And again, states, not Uncle Sam, requires you to buy insurance for your cars.
Congress now determines who can and can't afford insurance. A single mom working at the laundry mat won't be required to buy her insurance. The state will have to provide her health care.
you already pay for the poor people who don't have insurance. your rates go up to pay for those people when they go to the hospital.
also, insurance is supposed to include everyone to make it cheaper. that's how insurance works - a lot of people pay into it so that the few who get hurt/house burns down/get in a car crash get payouts from their health/fire/car insurance.
i wish it wasn't so, but it's how insurance works. i hate that the gov't is forcing people to buy things, but i also don't hear any other solutions coming from those opposed. the mandate and exchanges in this law were originally conservative ideas until a dem proposed it - now they're evil?
Thanks Supreme. Now let's get going on Single payer.