How to Effectively Deal with Police

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  1. GSD

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    One more reason not to co-operate with cops & How to deal with them

    NYPD Plants Drugs on Innocent People
    http://www.copblock.org/9144/nypd-plants-drugs-on-innocent-people/



    How to effectively deal with police
    http://pittsburghcopblock.org/945/how-to-effectively-deal-with-police-know-your-rights/

    What police officers don’t want you to know!

    All you have to remember and say are these magic words:
    “Am I free to go?â€Â
    “I don’t consent a search.â€Â
    “I’m going to remain silent.â€Â

    Police Officer Stops You
    To stop you a police officer must have a specific reason to suspect your involvement in a specific crime and should be able to tell you that reason when you ask . This is known as reasonable suspicion. Reasons a police officer might pull you over will usually be for some type of “traffic violation,†such as speeding or maybe not using your blinker. The traffic stop may seem wrong or unfair, but the police officer believes he has a reason to stop you. Throwing a cigarette butt or a gum wrapper out your car window is reason enough for the police to pull you over, ticket you for littering and start asking you all sorts of personal questions.
    Your Rights During a Traffic Stop. Top Five (5) Things to Know About Protecting Yourself from the Police:
    #1 – Safety. The first thing is your safety! You want to put the police officer at ease. Pull over to a safe place, turn off your ignition, stay in the car and keep your hands on the steering wheel. At night turn on the interior lights. Keep your license, registration, and proof of insurance always close by.
    Build trust, be a “good citizen,†be courteous, stay calm and don’t complain. Show respect and say things like “sir and no sir.†The idea is to get the police officer to understand that you’re just an average ordinary citizen and let you get on your way down the road. Never bad-mouth a police officer, stay in control of your words, body language and your emotions. Never touch a police officer and don’t run away!
    #2 – Talking To A Police Officer. The only questions you need to answer is your name, address and date of birth and nothing else! Instead of telling the police officer who you are simply give him your drivers license or I.D. card. The only the information the police officer needs to know about you can be found on your drivers license, so don’t volunteer any more information to the police officer! If he ask you any questions politely say, “I’m going to remain silent, am I free to go?†and then don’t say another word.

    #3 – “I’m Going to Remain Silent.†The Supreme Court has made a new ruling that you should Never Talk to a Police Officer†without an attorney, but there’s a CATCH! New Ruling Before you’re allowed not to talk to a police officer, you must tell the police officer “That You’re Going to Remain Silent†and then keep your mouth shut! (How can you be falsely accused and charged if you don’t say anything?) Remember anything you say or do can and will be used against you at any time by the police. Police have help put innocent people in prison just because of a couple of words that were spoken to a police officer.

    #4 – Just Say NO to Police Searches! If a police officer didn’t need your permission, he wouldn’t be asking. Never give permission to a police officer to search you, your car or your home. If a police officer does search you, don’t resist and keep saying “I don’t consent to a search.â€Â

    #5 – “Am I Free to Go?†As soon as the police officer ask you a question ask him “Am I Free to Go?†Remember if you don’t ask if you’re “free to go,†you may be voluntarily staying. If the police officer says that you’re are being detained or arrested, tell the police officer that “I’m going to remain silent.†New Ruling
    Ask for a supervisor. If all else fails and you feel the police officer is abusing your rights, ask the police officer to call his “supervisor†to your location. “Some states you don’t have this right, but it’s worth asking.â€Â

    Anything You Say Can And Will Be Used Against You
    Police officers need your permission to have a conversation, never give it to them!
    Never voluntarily talk to a police officer, there’s no such thing as a “friendly chat†with a police officer. The Supreme Court has recently ruled that you should NOT talk to a police officer without a lawyer and you must say “I’m going to remain silent.†It can be dangerous to talk to a police officer or a Federal Agent anytime like during a traffic stop, in a public place or at police station. Innocent people have talked to a police officer and ended up in jail and prison, because they spoke to a police officer without an attorney.
    Police officers have the same right as you “Freedom of Speech,†they can ask you anything they want, but you should never answer any of their questions. Don’t let the police officer try and persuade you to talk! Say something like “I’m sorry, I don’t have time to talk to you right now.†If the cop insists on talking to you, ask him “Am I free to go?†The police officer may not like when you refuse to talk to him and challenge you with words like, “If you have nothing to hide, why won’t you speak to me? Say again “I told you I don’t have time to talk to you right now, Am I free to go?†If you forget or the police officer tricks you into talking, it’s ok just start over again and tell the police officer “I’m going to remain silent.â€Â
    The Supreme Court has ruled that if a police officer doesn’t force you to do something, then you’re acting “voluntarily.†That means if the police officer starts being intimidating and you do what he ask because you’re “afraid†you still have done it voluntarily. (Florida v. Bostick, 1991) If you do what the police officer ask you to do such as allowing him to search your car or answer any of his questions, you are ‘voluntarily’ complying with his ‘requests.’ don’t comply, just keep your mouth shut unless you say “Am I Free to Go?†or “I don’t consent to a search.â€Â
    You have every right NOT to talk to a police officer and you should NOT speak to a police officer unless you have first consulted with a lawyer who has advised you differently. Police officers depend on fear and intimidation to get what they want from you. Police officers might say they will “go easy†on you if you talk to them, but this is not true! The government has made a law that allows police officers to lie to the American public. Another reason not to trust the police! So be as nice as possible, but stand firm on your rights! Where do some of your rights come from? Read the Fourth and Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
     
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    Traffic Stops and Your Rights
    First of all keep your license, registration and proof of insurance in an easily accessible place such as attached to your sun visor. The less time it takes for you to get to these items, the less time the officer has to look through your windows and snoop. When pulled over by a police officer stay in the car, turn on the cab lights and keep your hands on the steering wheel. Sit still, relax and wait for the officer to come to you. Any sudden movements, ducking down, looking nervous or appearing to be searching for something under your seat is dangerous! Just sit up naturally, be still and try to put the officer at ease.â€Â
    The first thing you should ask the police officer is “hello officer, why did you pull me over?†THEN KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT! Police officers have a routine they use during traffic stops. Some police departments have a “10 step check list†on what to do and what to ask you. Police officers like to ask the first question and that usually is, “do you know the reason I pulled you over today?†The police officer is trying to get you to do two things, get you to admit that you committed a violation and to get you “voluntarily†to start a conversation with him.
    During a traffic stop the police officer will ask for your “papers please,†such as your driver’s license, registration and proof of insurance. Let the police officer do all the talking, but you don’t have to answer any question the police officer ask if “you†choose not to do so. Just remember innocent people have ended up in prison because they talked to a police officer. Remember the police officer is not your friend and should not be trusted.
    The police officer might start asking you personal questions such as “where are you going, where have you been and who did you see,†ect. At that point it’s the perfect time to exercise your rights by asking the police officer “AM I FREE TO GO?†There is NO legal requirement that American citizens provide information about their comings and goings to a police officer. It’s none of their damn business! Keep asking the police officers “AM I FREE TO GO?†You have to speak up and verbally ask the police officer if you may leave, otherwise the courts will presume that you consented to stay and talk to the cops on your own free will.
    Passengers in your vehicle need to know their rights as well. They have the same right not to talk to a police officer and the right to refuse a search “unless it’s a ‘pat down’ for weapons.†The police will usually separate the passengers from each other and ask questions to see if their stories match. All passengers should always give the same answer and say, “I’m going to remain silent, am I free to go?†Remember you have to tell the police officer that you don’t want to talk to him. It’s the law
    How long can a police officer keep you pulled over “detained†during a traffic stop? The Supreme Court has said no more than 15 or 20 minutes is a reasonable amount of time for a police officer to conduct his investigation and allow you to go FREE. Just keep asking the police officer “AM I FREE TO GO?â€Â

    There’s only a few reasons a police officer is going to detain you: 1) Find out who you are “do a back ground check.†2) The police officer is going to write you a citation “traffic ticket,†to make money for the state. 3) The police officer is looking for any reason to arrest you. Any time a police officer arrest someone, that means revenue for the government “specially small drug possession.â€Â

    A good time to ask “AM I FREE TO GO,†is after the police officer has given you a “warning or a ticket†and you have signed it. Once you have signed that ticket the traffic stop is legally over says the U.S. Supreme Court. There’s no law that requires you to stay and talk to the police officer or answer any questions. After you have signed the ticket and got your license back you may roll up your window, start your car and leave. If you’re outside the car ask the police officer, “AM I FREE TO GO?†If he says yes then get in your car and leave.

    Car Searches And Body Searches
    Remember the police officer wouldn’t be asking you, if he didn’t need your permission to search! “The right to be free from unreasonable searches is one of America’s most precious First Liberties.â€Â
    Just because you’re stopped for a traffic violation does NOT allow a police officer to search your car. However if you go riding around smoking a blunt and get pulled over, the police officer smells marijuana, sees a weapon or drugs in plain view he now has “probable cause†to search you car and that’s your own stupid-ass fault!
    You DON’T have to give consent to a police officer when he ask to search your vehicle or home. While you DON’T have to consent, bear in mind that the expectation of privacy in a car on a public road is less than the expectation of privacy in your home.
    Police officers swore an oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution and not to violate your rights against unreasonable search and seizure Fourth Amendment. Denying a police officers request to search you or your car is not an admission of guilt, it’s your American right! Some police officers might say, “if you have nothing to hide, you should allow me to search.†Say politely to the police officer “I’ve been advised by an attorney never consent to a search.â€Â
    The police officer is allowed to handcuff you and/or detain and even put you in his police car for his safety. Don’t resist or you will be arrested! There’s a big difference between being detained and being arrested. Say nothing in the police car! Police will record your conversation inside the police car, so say nothing to your friend and don’t talk to the police officers!
    If you are arrested and your car is towed, the police are allowed to take an “inventory†of items in your car. If anything found that’s illegal, the police will get a warrant and then charge you with another crime.

    Police Pat Downs…
    For the safety of police officers the law allows the police to pat down your outer clothing to see if you have any weapons. If the police officer feels something that he believes is a weapon, then he can go into your pockets and pull out the item he believes is a weapon.

    A police officer may ask you or even demand that you empty your pockets, but you have the right to say “NO, AM I FREE TO GO?†There’s NO law that requires you to empty your pockets when a police officer “ask†you. The only time a police officer should be taking personal property out of your pockets is after you have been arrested.

    If the Police Knock at Your Home-You Don’t Have to Open the Door!
    If the police knock and ask to enter your home, you DON’T have to open the door unless they have a warrant signed by a judge. “Besides if the police have a warrant they won’t knock, they’ll be kicking in your door!†There is NO law that requires you to open your door to a police officer.* Don’t open your door with the chain-lock on either, the police may shove their way in. Simply shout to the police officers “I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY†or just don’t say anything at all.
    Guest and roommates staying in your home/apartment/dorm need to be aware of their rights specially “college students†and told not to open the door to a police officer or invite police officers into your home without your permission. Police officers are like vampires, they need your permission to come into your home. Never invite a police officer into your home, such an invitation not only gives police officers an opportunity to look around for clues to your lifestyle, habits, friends, reading material, etc; but also tends to prolong the conversation.

    If you are arrested outside your home the police officer might ask if you would like to go inside and get your shoes or a shirt? He might even be nice and let you tell your wife or friend goodbye, but it’s a trick! Don’t let the police officer into your house!
    Never agree to go to the police station if the police want to question you. Simply say, “I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY.â€Â
    * In some emergency situations (for example when a someone is screaming for help from inside your home, police are chasing someone into your home, police see a felony being committed or if someone has called 911 from inside your house) police officers are then allowed to enter and search your home without a warrant.
    Children have rights, if you’re under 18 click here. Just because you and your children didn’t know you had rights and gave up those rights by talking to a teacher, school principal, police officer or a federal agent without an attorney could cost your family dearly and change the lives of your family forever!
    If a Police Officer Stops You On The Sidewalk…
    NEVER consent to talk to a police officer. If a police officer stops you and ask to speak with you, you’re perfectly within your rights to say to the police officer “I do not wish to speak with you, good-bye. “New Law At this point you should be free to leave. The next step the police officer might take is to ask you for identification. If you have identification on you, tell the officer where it is and ask permission to reach for it. “Some states you’rot required to show an I.D. unless the police officer has reasonable suspicion that you committed a crime. Know the laws in your state!
    The police officer will start asking you questions again, at this point you may ask the officer “Am I Free to Go?†The police officer may not like this and may challenge you with words like, “If you have nothing to hide, why won’t you speak to me?†Just like the first question, you do not have to answer this question either. Just ask “Am I Free to Go?â€Â

    Police officers need your permission to have a conversation, never give it to them. There is NO law that says you must tell a police officer where you are going or where you have been, so keep your mouth shut and say nothing! Don’t answer any question (except name, address and age) until you have a lawyer.
     
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    Probable Cause…
    A police officer has no right to detain you unless there exists reasonable suspicion that you committed a crime or traffic violation. However a police officer is always allowed to initiate a “voluntary” conversation with you. You always have the right not to talk or answer any questions a police officer ask you. Just tell the police officer “I’m going to remain silent.”

    Under the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, police may engage in “reasonable” searches and seizures. To prove that a search is reasonable, the police must generally show that it’s more likely than not that a crime has occurred and that if a search is conducted it is probable that the police officer will find evidence of the crime. This is called “probable cause.”

    Police may use first hand information or tips from an informant “snitch” to justify the need to search your property or you. If an informant’s information is used, the police must prove that the information is reliable under the circumstances to a judge.

    Here’s a case when police officers took the word of a “snitch,” claiming he knew where a “drug dealer” lived. The police officers took it upon themselves to go to this house that the snitch had picked at random and kick in the door at 1:30 in the morning without obtaining a search warrant from a judge. The aftermath was six police officers firing over 30 shots and shooting an innocent man 9 times in the back as he laid on the ground. Read Story

    Can We Trust Police Officers?
    Are police officers allowed to lie to you? Yes the Supreme Court has ruled that police officers can lie to the American public. Police officers are trained at lying, twisting words and to be manipulative. Police officers and other law enforcement agents are very skilled at getting information from people. So don’t try to “out smart” the police officer or try being a “smooth talker” because you will loose! If you can keep your mouth shut, you just might come out ahead more than you expected.
    The federal government created a law that says citizens can’t lie to Federal Agents and yet the government can lie to American Citizens. Makes perfect since doesn’t it? The best thing you can do is ask for a lawyer and keep your mouth shut. How can you be charged with something if you haven’t said anything?
    Although police officers may seem nice and pretend to be on your side they are wanting to learn your habits, opinions, and affiliations of other people not suspected of wrongdoing. Don’t try to answer a police officers questions, it can be very dangerous! You can never tell how a seemingly harmless bit of information that you give to a police officer might be used and misconstrued to hurt you or someone else. Keep in mind that lying to a federal agent is a crime. “This why Martha Stewart went to prison, not for insider trading but for lying to a Federal Agent.”
    Police officers may promise shorter sentences and other deals for statements or confessions from you. The police cannot legally make deals with people they arrest, but they can and will lie to you. The only person who can make a deal that can be enforced is the prosecutor and he should not talk with you without a lawyer present.
    Teach your children that police officers are not always their friends and police officers must contact a parent for permission before they ask your child any questions. Remember police officers are trained to put you at ease and to gain your trust. Their job is to find, arrest and help convict a suspect and that suspect is you!

    Lies That Police Officers Use To Get You To Talk…
    There are many ways a police officer will try to trick you into talking. It’s always safe to say the Magic Words: “Am I free to leave, if not I’m going to remain silent and I want a lawyer.”
    The following are common lie’s the police use when they’re trying to get you to talk to them:
    * “You will have to stay here and answer my questions” or “You’re not leaving until I find out what I want to know.”
    * “I have evidence on you, so tell me what I want to know or else.” (They can fabricate fake evidence to convince you to tell them what they want to know.)
    * “You’re not a suspect, were simply investigating here. Just help us understand what happened and then you can go.”
    * “If you don’t answer my questions, I won’t have any choice but to take you to jail.”
    * “If you don’t answer these questions, you’ll be charged with resisting arrest.”
    * “Your friend has told his side of the story and it’s not looking good for you, anything you want to say in your defense?”

    If The Police Arrest You…

    “I DON’T WANT TO TALK UNTIL MY LAWYER IS PRESENT”
    * Don’t answer questions the police ask you, (except name, address and age) until you have a lawyer.
    * Even if the police don’t read your Miranda Rights to you, refuse to say anything until your lawyer/public defender arrives. If you “voluntarily” talk to the police , then they don’t have to read your Miranda Rights.
    * If you’re arrested and can not afford an attorney, you have the right to a public defender. If you get a public defender always make it clear to the judge that the public defender is not representing you, but merely is serving as your counsel.
    * Do not talk to other jail inmates about your case.
    * Within a reasonable time after your arrest or booking, you have the right to make a local phone call to a lawyer, bail bondsman, relative or any other person. The police may not listen to the call to the lawyer.
    * If you’re on probation or parole tell your P.O. you’ve been arrested and say nothing else!
     
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    Not that I wasn't aware, but a reminder is always good.
     
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    Sadly this also applies in a crime against you when you may actually need their help [​IMG]
     
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    The Patriot Act has changed the game good luck
     
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    Here we just give them $20 and they go away
     
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    As least your corruption is honest

    Here its all done under the guise of lies, deceipt, intimidation and finally threats

    Most people buckle and willingly give up their rights under one of those scenarios because they don't want any hassle

    Pathetically sad testimony to the millions that have been killed or wounded to protect those rights
     
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    It has it's drawbacks

    If you ever need anything done, you gotta do it yourself

    I learned that lesson the hard way :)
     
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    There is really only one true way to deal with the police.

     
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    I tell clients this all the time. If you get pulled over, lower your window, hand over your license and registration. Roll up the window and say nothing. You will piss the cop off to no end, but it's the only way you will avoid reading this in a police report:

    'The driver had bloodshot eyes, his speech was slurred and he was unsteady on his feet and there was a strong smell of alcohol on his breath." I have read 100's of DUI police reports and every one had that language.
     
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    ...and when i started practicing the best piece of advice I got from my first boss was "all cops and client's lie"
     
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    And lawyers too :hw:


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