Sports I guess Ty Cobb wasn't such a bad guy anyway?

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  1. TallTyrion

    TallTyrion Triggered like a mofo

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    Okay, so I'm a lifelong Tigers fan and have been told since childhood that Ty Cobb was a rotten SOB/Racist/All around bad guy and apparently this guy is saying that it was all made up by a hack sportswriter named Al Stump. Warning, there are lots of words and no pictures for ye of lesser intelligence.

    I enjoyed the read...hope you guys do too...
    http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/who-was-ty-cobb-the-history-we-know-thats-wrong/
     
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    yaddc Well-Known Member

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    The movie was pretty good. Helped a lot of people.
     
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  3. Swedish John

    Swedish John I'm your huckleberry

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    Love the Tigers. Love Cobb.
     
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    if you are talking about that shitty Ty Cobb movie with Tommy Lee Jones? Because that was based on Al Stump's book.
     
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    Ynnek4 Well-Known Member

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    "I never saw anyone like Ty Cobb. No one even close to him. He was the greatest all time ballplayer. That guy was superhuman, amazing."
    -Casey Stengel
     
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    Good fucking song by Soundgarden as well.
     
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    I remember this coming out months ago felt like a asshole because I bought all those lies in that movie. Which all turn out to be not even close to being true.
     
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    Well, it's a great fucking article, which took me about an hour to read, because I kept getting interrupted.
     
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    Great read, TT. Thanks for posting.
     
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    Very, very interesting.

    Thanks for posting it. Good article.
     
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    Here's an old radio interview with him.....


    And here's some video of him.....


    Cool stuff, especially after reading that article.
     
  12. SouthernListen

    SouthernListen Seek truth, not confirmation of your opinions VIP

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    As someone who consumes a lot of history, I have learned that historians have a habit of being pretty lazy. Writing non-fiction is a lot of work and they probably feel ok cutting a few corners. They will often cite the same old original source, without going to the trouble to check the original source out. So each succeeding book repeats and reinforces the original error.

    As for some people who purposely sought to tarnish his reputation, well, that's probably why "though shall not bear false witness" made the top ten.
     
  13. JRoyle411

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    He got a bad rap thanks to Stump......but he was certainly a bigoted, racist asshole. You have to remember when and where he grew up. Everyone was a bigoted, racist asshole back then. Doesn't diminish the fact that he was probably the best hitter of all time.
     
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    Ty Cobb was a Punch and Judy hitter with chicken legs. Was a poor man's Honus Wagner. Guy never drew a dime.

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    (Please don't ban me from the Mach Thread...)
     
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    Here's one more link.

    This one is the author of the article giving a speech about this whole thing.

     
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    Says the bigot who knows the hearts and thoughts of "everyone" from nearly 100 years ago.
     
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    did you read the article? He comes from a long line of abolitionists.
     
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    Numb nuts....it's a figure of speech. A lot of folks from the South were bigoted, racist assholes back then. I don't need to have been alive back then to know that.
     
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    And there are also numerous stories outside of Stump's that speak to Cobb's racism.
     
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    Thanks...that's a very interesting article
     
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