Politics If everyone is so dissatisfied, why no viable third Party in the US?

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  1. Getthepoisonout

    Getthepoisonout I regret my username

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    You have massive amount of dissatisfaction with the Democrats and the Republicans, why has a group of people not built up a really good third party alternative. Perhaps a party that is socially liberal and fiscally conservative ? Seems like a sure fire winner to me.
     
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    I'd be happy with a viable second party.

    It's Globalist Establishment vs the American working class. There is no such thing called Republican vs Democrat.
     
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    sounds like Trump :woot:
     
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    Because it would require effort.
     
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    Compete with the billion dollar two party machine?

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    This. We all like to bitch about it but not enough will really make any effort to push the system to a 3rd party.
     
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    Its been tried a number of times before and has never worked.
    All a third party does is draw a small percentage of voters away from one or the other parties.
    George Bush got elected this way in a very close race thanks to Ralph Nader.
     
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    3rd parties are never successful in a first past the post system.

     
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    This.
    We don't have a parliamentary system where political parties form coalitions. Because of our system, over two hundred plus years it's come down to two political parties. Like it or not, it's been survival of the fittest.
     
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    I thought Perot had a shot in 92. Dropping out and then reversing his choice - bad move. And then still got a lot of votes.
     
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    Which basically gave the election to Bill Clinton.
     
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    If there is anything the demos and reps consistently agree on, it is there should never be a third part! No one else is invited to the big dance every four years.

    i would have loved if sanders and trump both would have run as independents.

    Independent vs independent vs republican vs democrat.

    For now I just hope Johnson gets enough support to be in the debates. That would be fun.
     
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    I believe the problem is the press. The Libertarian party has a decent and growing following, but the press doesn't give them any credit or time. The vast majority of the time, you only hear about the 2 parties. You don't see Libertarian debates or the convention on tv (although I think usually only one guy is running, but maybe televised debates for the party would attract more than one person to run).
     
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    With a 4 people running, it's possible to have a little over 25% of the population, electing your president.

    Also, you would probably have to move away from the Electoral College system because, in a close race, there's no telling where their votes would go.
     
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    I bet the two I's would get more than either the D or R. Wonder who the R would have been if not trump. Cruz I guess?
     
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    Yes, probably.

    So, in that case, I see the far right voting for Cruz and the far left voting for Sanders and then the centrists would be split with center left for Clinton and center right going to Trump.
     
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    Seems like a quality analysis. :up:
     
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    I think the Republicans fucked up a long time ago by not easing up on the social issues.

    Their insistence that to be a 'True' Republican is by absolutely adhering to every plank of their platform has alienated people from the party.

    That's why the Independents have grown so huge in the last 10-12 years.
     
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    Yes it does. A total outsider from the political class.

    But it also demonstrates why there isn't a viable third party in this country. Both parties are very good in adopting /co-opting the ideas of outside parties so the need for them dissipates. Trump could have easily been another Ross Perot running independent but, here he is, the Republican nominee.