Or is Mutt that retarded? Forget about the content, mods, censorship, etc. for a minute. How is it that SFN is such a technical steaming pile of crap, and Dawg's looks like a highly polished professional site? He's had a decade to work on that thing, and it looks worse now than it did back then. If the difference is just in the software, then why would Mutt stick with that POS? However, I have a feeling this is a case of "it's not the horse, it's the jockey". I'll hang up and listen to your response.