Politics Is Hillary Toast?

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  1. Beth143nacho

    Beth143nacho Well-Known Member VIP

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    The articles keep getting more and more specific, Hillary is challenged and the Clintons change their story to deflect again. This cycle gets deeper and deeper and were at the point now that every excuse Hillary is giving gets completely exposed as a lie in the next article.

    Not to mention that shes bungled an apology every way an apology can be bungled. First by claiming she doesn't need to apologize, then by apologizing for any confusion, then a half-hearted apology that might have been an apology, then to the "hey, we apologized"...

    Now... this...

    http://www.wsj.com/article_email/hillary-clinton-vs-foia-1443136818-lMyQjAxMTE1NTI1NTkyMDU5Wj


    Hillary Clinton vs. FOIA
    The State Department email summaries point to big trouble ahead.

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    U.S. presidential candidate Hillary Clinton speaks in Iowa on September 22, 2015. Photo: Reuters
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    Kimberley A. Strassel
    Sept. 24, 2015 7:20 p.m. ET
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    If Hillary Clinton loses this election, it won’t be because of Bernie Sanders. It won’t be because of Marco Rubio or Jeb Bush or Carly Fiorina. It will be because of a 1966 statute.

    The Clintons are street fighters, and over their scandal-plagued years they have mastered outwitting the press, Congress, the Justice Department, even special prosecutors. But the reason Mrs. Clinton isn’t winning her latest scandal is because she faces a new opponent—one she can’t beat: the Freedom of Information Act.

    Of all the Clinton email revelations this week, none compared with a filing by the State Department in federal Judge Emmet Sullivan’s court in Washington on Monday. The filing was a response to a FOIA lawsuit brought in March by conservative organization Citizens United. The group demanded documents from Mrs. Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state related to the Clinton Foundation and to the 2012 terrorist attack on the U.S. diplomatic outpost in Benghazi, Libya. What the State Department revealed was a testament to the power of FOIA.

    Congressional investigators can subpoena documents, but even if after long delays they get them, the investigators must trust that the agency handed over everything. The agency usually doesn’t. Under FOIA, by contrast, the agency is required by law to provide plaintiffs with a complete inventory and broad description of every document it has that pertains to the request—but is withholding. This is known as a Vaughn index. The State Department on Monday handed over its Vaughn index to Citizens United and, boy, are these email descriptions revealing.

    We find that the State Department has—but is not releasing—an email chain between then-Clinton Chief of Staff Cheryl Mills and a Clinton Foundation board member about the secretary of state’s planned trip to Africa. We find that the State Department has—but is not releasing—emails between Ms. Mills and foundation staff discussing “invitations to foreign business executives to attend the annual meeting of the Clinton Global Initiative.” We find many undisclosed email chains in which State Department officials talk with Clinton Foundation officials about Bill Clinton speeches and Bill Clinton travel, including to events in North Korea and Congo.

    Huma Abedin, a longtime confidante of Mrs. Clinton’s, was somehow allowed to work, simultaneously, at the State Department, the Clinton Foundation and as a consultant to Teneo—a consulting firm run by Clinton loyalist Doug Band. All three of Ms. Abedin’s hats come into play in an undisclosed email exchange regarding a 2012 dinner in Ireland. As the Washington Examiner reported in May, Mrs. Clinton received an award at the dinner from a Clinton Foundation donor. The ceremony was promoted by Teneo. Mrs. Clinton attended in her official capacity as secretary of state. Sort through that.

    We already know that the Clinton Foundation continued to take foreign money even while Mrs. Clinton was secretary of state. We now know this was only the start of the entwining. These email summaries show that the Clinton Foundation was the State Department and the State Department was the Clinton Foundation. All one, big, seamless, Clinton-promoting entity. We would know far more if State released the full emails. It is citing personal privacy as one reason not to make some public. In others, it claims the emails “shed no light on the conduct of U.S. Government business.”

    Separately, we learn that the State Department is withholding from Citizens United and congressional investigators 14 separate exchanges between department employees regarding Benghazi. Most of these involve discussions of the State Department’s statement about the attack, or its responses to congressional inquiries about the attack. In short, those documents go directly to the focus of Congress’s probe: whether the administration covered up what it knew about the attack or the risks to the four American diplomats who were killed. The State Department is claiming attorney-client privilege for its withholding, since most of the exchanges involve Ms. Mills—who we now find also served as an attorney at the department. The Clintons think of everything.

    All told, there are at least 35 FOIA lawsuits pending for Clinton-related email. Nearly everything important we’ve learned has come from those suits. They are why the State Department is releasing emails; why we know they contained classified information; why we know Mrs. Clinton’s aides also used unsanctioned email accounts; why we know that the State Department is covering for Mrs. Clinton.

    Which explains why the Justice Department wants the judiciary to “consolidate” the lawsuits, claiming that the State Department is overwhelmed. The real goal is to shut down the process. Consolidation will slow discovery, and the chances of stopping the information flow is better if all the suits come before one judge, who might be friendly, rather than six unpredictable ones. But each organization bringing a suit deserves a separate hearing. It isn’t these groups’ fault that the State Department allowed Mrs. Clinton to go email rogue and now has a mess.

    What Democrats are only beginning to understand is that 35 FOIA lawsuits is a guarantee of weekly Clinton email-news bombs. This isn’t ending. The polls keep measuring Mrs. Clinton in theoretical matchups. The only matchup that matters is this one: Clinton vs. FOIA. And FOIA is crushing it.

    Write to kim@wsj.com.
     
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  2. whatsit

    whatsit Dawg Lover VIP

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    I do think she's toast.
     
  3. scoobyla

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    her base doesnt care about this nonsense.
    and her haters were never voting for her anyways.
    she may lose 5% of independents.
     
  4. Shithead

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    Toast is good. Hillary, not so much
     
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    If Biden enters the race, then yes she's done. Hillary has always been a poor campaigner. She lost a huge lead to Obama because she ran a poor campaign. Her support is tepid at best. Even among the feminist crowd. Sanders is like Howard Dean. A lot of enthusiastic support but not enough votes. Hillary is actually the best chance that Republicans have to win.
     
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    I say 85% chance of toast. But the Clinton's are soon good at dodgeball, I reserve the 15%.

    BTW - Notice Bill has stayed completely out of this fracas? Why? At least come out and say that you support your wife. Nope. He's quiet as a church mouse, who's getting head from a 22 year old Intern.

    Don't forget about the Benjy link to this story - Huma is married to Weiner.

     
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    imissalison f**k Mutt

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    this broad has been toast numerous times
    this broad is still standing
    some people ain't listening when you tell them they're done I guess
     
  9. HypocriteHowie

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    'Washington (CNN)Bill Clinton said Friday he believes Republicans are exaggerating scandals against his wife, using the scrutiny over her email use while at the State Department to tear her down.

    The 42nd president said "we're seeing history repeat itself," citing the Whitewater scandal of the 1990s. He also said media coverage of his wife shifted from issues to politics by "people who want a race."

    But, he added, "this is a contact sport. They're not giving the job away."
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/25/politics/bill-clinton-fareed-zakaria-donald-trump-interview/

    Big Bill is America's President, he'd win if he could run again.
     
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    Put a fork in her
     
  11. TheHighHat

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    I think the real juicy stuff is being held back for if/when she gets the nomination. I think the Republicans hope she gets the nomination. If she does, 90% of her campaign, and campaign $$$, will go towards putting out fires. She won't stand a chance in the swing states.

    This stuff is just window dressing.
     
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    Bernie Bernie !
     
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    Not a Hillary fan but .... All that is well and good but if the right puts up a bible thumping opponent it won't do any good at all
     
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    It won't be Bernie. If Hillary is toast say hello to President Joe Biden.

    The Party has a long enough memory to think back to 1972 when the Bernie wing of the Democratic party got their candidate, George McGovern, and then got their asses handed to them by Nixon.

    McGovern was a great guy and war hero, but that didn't matter. I like Bernie and he seems to be an honest guy but by the time the Republican's spend all their campaign money people will be thinking they're voting for Lenin if they vote for him.
     
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    I bet the shit they've got on her is so heinous they could run a kid toucher against her and win.

    All the Republican candidate has to do is buddy up to Israel and not touch any kids while running, and they're in.
     
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    Elvis Patterson is Toast.

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    hillary deserves to be president!
    It's her time!
    vast right wing conspiracy!
    :bigcry:
     
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  18. MyLazyHand

    MyLazyHand Russia and France Know What to Do

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    As a fan of the USA, I want both sides to come up with better candidates.

    I want a President who will not be divisive, and one who will build bridges with the world. Obama has done far more damage to our world position than Bush did, and that took some real effort. We have no international friends these days; not even England.

    No crazy lefties need apply. No uber-conservative inflexible righties need apply. No third-rail issues required.

    I'll take Kasich from Ohio. He seems to deliver victories to both sides, with leaning towards strong fiscal management.
     
  19. The Booey

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    But who do the Dems have in the bullpen to replace her? A socialist or an imbecile.
     
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    MyLazyHand Russia and France Know What to Do

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    Bernie Sanders is currently 74 years old. He would be our oldest President at inauguration by a longshot.

    Being POTUS is not a job for a really old guy. Being POTUS with absolutely no support in Congress is a bad idea.

    Beyond that, does anyone believe that Sanders would stand up to a challenge from another nation?