Jesses mad

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  1. jdwhatever

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    Discuss.
     
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    splashwut
     
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    Ima hafta wait til it comes out on Netflix :dontknow:
     
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    was it past your bed time last night lil feller?
     
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    Interesting insights.
     
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    d'dad I just sh'shit myself
     
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    They stole his weed.
    I would be pissed too.
     
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    That's nice, Malcolm.
     
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    I don't get something with all this. They found out that Brock wasn't poisoned by Ricin after all, right? So Jesse thinks that Walt had the Ricin lifted from his pocket and then he poisoned Brock with some other plant that is like Ricin? And what is Saul talking about? Walt didn't tell him he was poisoning Brock with the Ricin because he didn't use the Ricin to poison Brock. What am I missing here? :dontknow:
     
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    oh god dammit I am still trying to figure that whole scene out. I was confused.

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    Oh wait this is a good refresher

    What Jesse Knows — and What We Still Don’t Know — About the Ricin on Breaking Bad

    By Margaret Lyons

    One of Breaking Bad's most impressive qualities is how well it plays with information disparity: Sometimes the audience knows more than the characters; sometimes the characters know more than the audience. In any given scene, no two people are operating with the same knowledge — not Hank and Marie, not Jesse and Skinny Pete, not Walt and, well, anyone. [Spoilers from last night's episode from here on out.] Last night's "Confession" took the show's who-knows-what storytelling to its extreme: Hank knows Walt paid for his medical treatments. He knows Walt's powers of manipulation are greater than Hank had previously imagined.

    And Jesse knows about the ricin cigarette.

    That's the biggie from "Confessions," Jesse's sudden a-ha moment. But even as it all clicked together for poor Pinkman, it was perhaps less crystal clear to the audience. Here's what we know:

    About the ricin in general: Recall that back in season two, Walt cooked up a batch of ricin with the plan to use it to kill Tuco. (Plan thwarted.) Then he made another batch in season four, this time with the plan to take out Gus Fring. Walt stored this ricin in a tiny vial that looks like a perfume sample and fits neatly in an emptied-out cigarette — though one would have to take the vial out of the cigarette and stealthily pour the poison into someone's food or drink or somehow get a target to inhale the particles. (Or one could dissolve the ricin in a liquid and inject someone with it, though that seems very hard to pull off.) Anyway, Walt never used the ricin on Gus either. In the first half of season five, he thought about using it against Lydia, but also decided against that, too. Walt stashed the ricin vial behind the plate of an electrical outlet, and in this season's "Blood Money" flash-forward opening sequence, we saw him retrieve it. So: The ricin still has not been used. But … someone better get poisoned soon, or BB's going to owe us and Checkov a big explanation.

    What Jesse put together: Last night, Jesse realized Huell pick-pocketed his weed, and that might as well have turned on a cartoon lightbulb over his head. In season four's penultimate episode, "End Times," the one where Jesse's girlfriend's son Brock gets rushed to the hospital, Jesse also thought Huell had pick-pocketed him, that time lifting the pack of smokes that contained the ricin cigarette and replacing it with a non-ricin pack. This is exactly what happened, but Walt convinced Jesse that he was wrong, that the ricin-pack must have been stolen out of his locker in Gus's lab, and that Gus was therefore behind Brock's poisoning. Walt was very convincing, and if there's anything we know about the Walt-Jesse dynamic, it's that Jesse is virtually powerless against Walt's manipulations. Just ask Gale! Jesse did what Jesse does and substituted Walt's ideas and judgement for his own ideas and judgement, and thus assured himself that Gus must be behind the missing ricin.

    After Jesse learns that Brock was not in fact exposed to ricin, he panics. That means Gus didn't steal the poison — that perhaps Jesse just lost it, meaning an innocent person could theoretically be exposed to it. The ever-sensitive Jesse is beside himself, and he calls Walt for help. (Oy, always a mistake.) Walt, who in fact has the real ricin vial, creates a fake ricin cigarette that he then plants and "finds" in Jesse's house. This gives Jesse peace of mind but also continues the gas-lighting process by which Walt teaches Jesse that Jesse's own ideas are bad, wrong, dangerous, stupid, and short-sighted and that Walt's are smart and for the common good. It's part of how Walt has conditioned Jesse, the way lots of abusers condition their victims. At the end of the search for the ricin cigarette, a sobbing Jesse apologizes to Walt. That's how much Walt can control Jesse! So, so much!

    Which brings us back to "Confession." Jesse had finally confronted Walt, finally accused him of lying, finally said that Walt killed Mike, finally tried again to stand up for himself. And Walt went in for a hug. (World's most manipulative embrace.) Walt tells Jesse he should disappear, start a new life, let Saul wipe his slate clean and call the vacuum repairman. And as Jesse stands at the side of the road waiting for his escape hatch, he sees that his baggie of weed is missing, and he realizes that Huell took it out of his pocket on orders from Saul. Saul had yelled at him, Huell had patted him down — it made complete sense.

    So what we have so far in the episode is (1) Jesse allowing himself to recognize how much Walt has lied to him, and (2) Jesse realizing that Huell is a good pickpocket. That's when, in a moment of clarity, Jesse knows he's been right all along: Huell did lift the ricin-pack back in season four, and the big guy was not working for Gus. Huell did that at Walt's behest. That means Walt was behind Brock's poisoning, and Jesse had been manipulated yet again.

    What we still don't know: So what exactly did happen to little Brock Castillo? In the season-four finale, "Face-Off," we learn that Brock was not suffering from ricin toxicity but rather from Lily of the Valley poisoning. We also see that the Whites have a large potted Lily of the Valley plant in their backyard. We know Walt needed Jesse to be on his side against Gus, and that telling Jesse Gus had attempted to kill Brock was a great way to get there. But what we don't know is how Walt actually poisoned Brock.

    At Comic-Con earlier this summer, BB creator Vince Gilligan explained it thusly: " I think probably what [Walt] did was crush some of the [Lilly of the Valley berries] up and put it in a juice box or something, and being a teacher, he probably knew his way around a school and he probably got into Brock's nursery school. That's our inter-story for how it would have happened. It would have been tricky."

    That is not that satisfying! This is a show that pulled off a train heist, for crying out loud. There's got to be a better way to make a kid eat a berry. This also still provides Walt with way too much deniability when Jesse confronts him: Yes, I took the ricin back from you, but I didn't do anything to Brock, and you certainly can't prove that I did.

    We also don't know whom the ricin is now meant for. We saw future-Walt go and get it from the abandoned White home, but he also has a machine gun in his trunk. Under what circumstances is ricin poisoning preferable to shooting? Let's see: When discretion is important. When immediacy is not essential (since death from ricin poisoning happens 36–72 hours after exposure). When one wants their victim to suffer both physically (ricin causes multiple organ failure) and psychologically (even if a doctor identified ricin poisoning correctly, there's no treatment for it).

    Five episodes left. And this is only a very small part of what's left to be resolved.
     
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    This also still provides Walt with way too much deniability when Jesse confronts him: Yes, I took the ricin back from you, but I didn't do anything to Brock, and you certainly can't prove that I did.
     
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    Well, it'll be the second time Jesse has Walt at gunpoint so he'd better be more convincing than that. :jj:
     
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    with only 5 episodes left they have to wrap it up fast :dontknow: Shit is gonna hit the fan hard and fast with no lube soon
     
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    No Half Measures.
     
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    i thinks its a pretty convincing excuse to the charge that Walt took the Ricin to poison Brock - the fact that Brock was not poisoned by Ricin that is.
     
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    But it also begs Jesse's retardation that Walt is capable of any sort of depraved alchemy. Motherfucker only slightly altered the chemistry to make meth in order to create mercury fulminate and blow the windows out of an entire floor a building.

    And okay, so fine, Jesse doesn't know he did that, but there are plenty of other examples...oh...say...THE RICIN...for Jesse to figure out that Walter can (in Jesse's mind) make wine from water.

    Why on earth, when Jesse heard it was from a plant called Lily of the Valley, didn't he immediately think "Hey...how can a mad chemist take a house plant and weaponize it?"

    It's just either stupidity or denial that the person for whom he has, at times, felt a paternal connection, is so truly bankrupt emotionally that he'll say anything, do anything, kill anyone who gets in his way?

    Walt needs to die and I hope to God it's Jesse who kills him.
     
  20. Rod-Stroker

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    Well we know the fuel Pinkman spewed all over the house was not lit "Opening scene Blood Money" Walt entering the house to get the ricin.

    Did walt confront and kill Jesse before he could ignight the gas ?