Politics Koch Brothers: Right-Wingers or Hippies?

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  1. the G-man

    the G-man Well-Known Member

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    Are the Koch Brothers Right-Wingers or Hippies?It depends on which parts of the Libertarian Party's 1980 platform you emphasize.

    In a New York Times review of New Yorker staff writer Jane Mayer's new book about the Koch brothers, CUNY historian David Nasaw notes that David Koch was the Libertarian Party's vice presidential nominee in 1980.

    Like other people who fear and/or loathe the Kochs (including Bernie Sanders), Nasaw simply ignores the inconvenient parts of the Libertarian Party's 1980 platform. Here are some of the planks he does not see fit to mention:

    1. "the repeal of all laws prohibiting the production, sale, possession, or use of drugs";

    2. "the repeal of all laws regarding consensual sexual relations, including prostitution and solicitation, and the cessation of state oppression and harassment of homosexual men and women";

    3. "the repeal of all laws interfering with the right to commit suicide";

    4. support for "the right of individuals to contract freely with practitioners of their choice, whether licensed by the government or not, for all health services," including abortion;

    5. opposition to "preventive detention, so-called 'no-knock laws,' and all other measures which threaten individual rights";

    6. "the repeal of all laws permitting involuntary psychiatric treatment";

    7. opposition to "all forms of government censorship, including anti-pornography laws" and restrictions on broadcast "indecency";

    8. opposition to "government harassment or obstruction of unconventional religious groups";

    9. opposition to government perusal of private records held by third parties without (and maybe even with) a warrant;

    10. "abolition of the Central Intelligence Agency and the Federal Bureau of Investigation";

    11. abolition of draft registration;

    12. "the elimination of all restriction on immigration";

    13. support for dramatic cuts to military spending and the withdrawal of American troops from foreign countries;

    14. opposition to wars that are not authorized by Congress; and

    15. support for "the principle of non-intervention," which entails "abstaining totally from foreign quarrels and imperialist adventures" while "recognizing the right to unrestricted trade, travel, and immigration."​


    A lot of this indeed radical, but it is not exactly right-wing, is it? In fact, many people on the left would be comfortable with most or even all of these planks, while self-identified progressives (perhaps including Mayer and Nasaw) would at least be sympathetic to the impulses behind them.
     
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    Kanye West Yeezus!

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    wut?
     
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    They're on the side that makes them the most money... it's really that simple... and they play the middle class to accomplish that...
     
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    I thought they were supposed to be buying the elections this year?
     
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    They're just assholes in my book.
     
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    Heh. "Concern Trolling Liberal" reminds me of a few posters here. From Jonah Goldberg:

    On any given day, it’s easy to find some liberal somewhere, writing on the Interwebs or saying on Morning Joe, that if only Republicans threw out their social conservatism they would become an electoral powerhouse. Sometimes this “analysis” is offered as concern-trolling b.s. Sometimes it’s probably sincere.​

    So, the next time you have this conversation, try this.​

    Concern Trolling Liberal: I just wish Republicans would get rid of the religious crazies and become socially liberal, fiscally conservative.​

    You: Oh, like Charles and David Koch?​

    CTL: No! Not those right-wing whackos. I mean Republicans should be pro-choice . . .​

    You: Like the Kochs?​

    CTL: . . . and pro-gay rights! . . .​

    You: Kochs, Kochs, Kochs.​

    CTL: . . . And pro-immigration . . .​

    You: The Kochs are way to the left of Bernie Sanders on immigration.​

    CTL: . . . and they should oppose all of these foreign wars and being the world’s policeman.​

    You: Kochs again.​

    CTL: But they’re racists! They support the drug war and locking up young black men!​

    You: Actually, they oppose the drug war and . . .​

    CTL: But, but, but…​

    [ End scene.]​

    Now I don’t agree with the Kochs on everything, nor do the Kochs agree with liberals on everything. But you see the point, right? If liberals were sincere in their claim that conservatives should become more socially liberal, they would celebrate what the Kochs are trying to do.​
     
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    The Koch Brothers are, on paper, libertarians, a movement Ayn Rand described as "hippies of the right." So, OP, the answer to your question is "both."
     
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    The Koch brothers are the greediest of scum, they have enough money to be rich for 100 lifetimes and want more and don't care who they have to buy or what huge river they have to pollute to get more.
     
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    From the Goldberg article cited above:

    To listen to the Democrats, you’d think the Koch brothers are the poster boys of capitalist greed and anti-democratic string-pulling. This has always struck me as utter nonsense....they make more money from the existing regulatory regime, because it makes it harder for other businesses to compete with their refineries. And yet, they steadfastly believe that the free market would be better for other people.
     
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    it looks weird when real old guys have the super crazy white teeth

    when you're 75-80 your teeth should probably look like they at least got a couple miles on them
    theirs look like they just came off the assembly line
     
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    http://www.alternet.org/election-20...w-robert-greenwalds-newly-updated-documentary
     
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    the G-man Well-Known Member

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    Yes. That's the point. They'd make as much, if not more, from continued crony capitalism, yet they want to eliminate government regulations that would level the playing field and benefit others.
     
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    Well, here's your guys, then.
     
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    "Koch"