Discussion in 'The Howard Stern Show' started by Anonymous007, Jul 11, 2015.
Made me think about it.
Great. 4 minute critique with no answers.
We should just stop arresting people for anything
I don't see prison-reform happening any time soon.
Seems like the 'legalize it' movement has more steam..
the US seems to be okay with current stereotypes of prison
Stop arresting people. The problem is obviously arrests and not the vast amounts of crime committed by certain groups.
I think he was just trying to put forth the problems for a discussion on solutions.
Personally I think it's an approach like this:
You start REALLY coming down on violent offenders (the types that are never going to be a productive member of society) with looooong sentences. Your first offense-slap on the wrist. Your second offense-3years. Your third offense-that's it.
Start showing the community that crime don't pay. Close the revolving door that psychologically shows that this is all some game you play; go to jail, get out, make a baby, go back to jail, get out, make another baby.
If community saw people go away and never come back A LOT of this shit would fix itself. It'd take a generation or so but it'd happen.
But to make room we'd have to STOP fucking with drug users. When those drug users decide to rob someone, that changes everything. But just hassling and jailing drug users/sellers would have to stop.
My two and a half cents
I mentioned the strikingly high incarceration rates to a right-wing friend and he shrugged.
Seems to be working, he said.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is American exceptionalism at its best.
If anything, we don't put enough people in prison.
That guy who beat up the 2 year-old girl has something like 5 felony convictions, he has four separate cases pending...and the prosecutor dropped the charges against him for brutalizing a 2 year-old.
That guy is NOT in prison.
The video maker will be putting out a new video called " Lock them up and throw away the key " once he gets mugged or robbed.
Yes, more prison. Because it squares well with keeping taxes low to incarcerate everyone to the tune of $47,000 per year.
Maybe we should kill everyone on death row, or that's serving multiple life sentences.
Or put them to work to return value to the part of the population that didn't fuck up their lives
A good start would be not throwing a woman teacher who had sex w/ willing 17 year olds in prison, with violent bitches, for 30 years. That is some sickening and evil shit to do.
Ok, I'll take the troll bait: In a modern, free market economy, (1) what product or service would prisoners produce that would generate enough valuable consideration to equal or exceed (2) the costs of administering such a work program?
The key words are "modern" and "free" as coerced labor regimes are incredibly inefficient. (Please see Civil War, U.S., 1860-1865, for the inherent advantage an industrializing economy has in introducing armaments and other supplies to battle lines over a semi-agricultural counter-party.)
The truth is most prison work programs have almost nothing to do with off-setting the costs of incarceration but are rather an attempt to introduce good ethics, skills and so forth to a population that desperately needs such ethics and skills. Mind you, I support such programs; but let's call them for what they are: they are a form of social welfare, not market productivity based upon efficient demand.
If they brought hard labor back to being part of serving time in prison it would be a great incentive for most people not to return.
Sitting around lifting weights and tattooing each other doesn't seem too bad to a lot of these guys.
But the bankers get to go to club Fed.
If they go at all.
I would have no problem with the prisons being full of bankers and politicians.
Illegal gun on your person? 20 years minimum sentence. If you have a prior felony conviction, life. Over.
I am for a two strike violent crime system where the second violent crime felony conviction is instant life in prison.
Decriminalize marijuana, make work for welfare widespread, and any able bodied male/female should only get 1 year of welfare before having to find work and keep it. Create more government jobs and government sponsored day care so people are actually working instead of just collecting a check at home.
Severely restrict how food stamps can be used and make it so anyone on government welfare of any kind that is convicted of a crime loses all privileges towards hand outs.
Its just a start.
It's a great start.
I was disappointed to see that this thread wasn't about Jade Helm.