News Mass murderer nicknamed 'Tomato Andy' was STILL under psychiatric care when he deliberately crashed

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  1. MutteringJohn

    MutteringJohn Well-Known Member

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    Some unbelievable stuff now coming out about the co-pilot.

    The Germanwings co-pilot who crashed his plane into a mountain killing himself and 149 people on board was receiving psychiatric counselling right up until the time of the crash, it emerged today.

    Andreas Lubitz locked the pilot out the of the Airbus A320's cockpit before setting the plane's controls to descend into a rocky valley, French prosecutors revealed yesterday.

    As well as having been signed off from training with depression in 2008, it was reported this morning that Lubitz had continued to receive mental health support up until this week's crash.

    The 28-year-old was also in the middle of the 'relationship crisis' with his girlfriend in the weeks before the crash and may have been struggling to cope with a break-up, German newspaper Bild reported.

    It was claimed this morning that the couple may have previously been engaged to be married next year.

    New information about Lubitz's life emerged just hours after police investigating the disaster began a four-hour search of his flat, which he is said to have shared with a girlfriend. Officers found 'evidence of mental illness' but no suicide note, Der Spiegel reported.

    Yesterday, the boss of Germanwings admitted Lubitz had slipped through the ‘safety net’ and should never have been flying. It was also revealed that the fitness fanatic had suffered from depression and ‘burnout’ which had held up his career.

    He reportedly received a year and half of psychiatric treatment and was at one point recommended to be examined by a doctor before flying.

    But, incredibly, he passed his psychological assessments and was later considered fit to fly.

    Germany’s Federal Aviation Office confirmed this morning that Lubitz had a medical condition noted in his pilot’s records which required him to have a regular examination.

    It was reported this morning that during his education at the Lufthansa Flight School in Phoenix, Arizona, he was listed temporarily as 'unfliable'.

    It was suggested today that Lubitz - who had worked for Lufthansa as a cabin attendant for nearly a year before being accepted for flight training - may have been teased by other pilot's over his previous role.

    A friend said: 'His nickname was "Tomato Andy" - a reference to his past employment as a flight steward.

    Another told Bild: 'He always had high ambitions but was considered to be second-league because he had been a flight attendant. He always wanted to fly long distance, above all to San Francisco. But he was always put off. Only later was he eventually allowed to fly European routes.'

    Prosecutors yesterday revealed chilling recordings from the doomed aircraft showing that piano teacher’s son Lubitz locked his captain out of the cockpit so he could crash the plane into an alpine ravine.

    In audio files extracted from the plane's cockpit voice recorder - discovered on Wednesday at the remote crash site - the captain was heard growing increasingly distressed as he tried to force his way back into the flight deck.

    Reports in Germany this morning suggest the locked-out pilot may have resorted to using an axe in a desperate bid to get through the armoured door as the plane hurtled towards the ground.

    Prosecutors said the screams of passengers aware of their fate could be heard in the final seconds.

    In a blunt admission, Carsten Spohr, the head of Lufthansa which owns the budget airline, admitted Lubitz had slipped through the safety net with devastating consequences.

    ‘The pilot had passed all his tests, all his medical exams,’ he said. ‘He was 100 per cent fit to fly without any restrictions.

    'We have at Lufthansa, a reporting system where crew can report – without being punished – their own problems, or they can report about the problems of others without any kind of punishment.

    'All the safety nets we are all so proud of here have not worked in this case.’
    Yesterday, as repercussions of Tuesday’s tragedy sent shockwaves through the airline industry:

    • Airlines across Europe reviewed safety rules and insisted that no pilot should be left alone in the cockpit;
    • Police urgently probed the background of Lubitz amid rumours that his personal life was seriously troubled;
    • Detectives have carried out a four-hour search of his flat, but are not thought to have found a suicide note.

    Last night police raided Lubitz’s family home in a small town north of Frankfurt and an apartment in Dusseldorf, taking away a computer, laptop and other files. Lubitz is understood to have split his time between the two addresses.


    Following last night's search of his flat, a police spokesman said: ‘We have discovered a number of things at his apartment which we will now examine and carry tests on to see if they are significant.

    'We do not yet know of what significance they are,' said the spokesman, adding: 'No crucial piece of evidence has been found yet.'

    Airline chiefs confirmed Lubitz, who won an award for ‘outstanding’ aviation skills and dubbed himself ‘Flying Andy’, took several months off work in 2008 and had to retrain to join Germanwings.

    They are said to have been ‘stunned’ by the revelation that Lubitz waited for his captain to visit the toilet – and then locked him out

    The picture of Lubitz which is emerging from his home town and Dusseldorf is of a man who, since he was boy, was determined to become an airline pilot - but who was repeatedly held back by mental health problems.

    A friend told Passauer Neue Presse: 'He wanted to become a pilot but he is mentally unstable.'



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  2. Wesmantooth

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    So what fuck stick do what every other crazy fuck does and jump off a bridge. you cunt
     
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    that article means nothing. There are tons of normal people out there than use counseling and psychological care.

    If he was on some mood altering drugs, well that's a different story and the FAA doesn't allow that. I'm sure that the German Aviation Authority has the same rule.....it should anyway.
     
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    There was an axe aboard the flight :wtf:
     
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    :quote: girlfriend :quote:




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    This bias against people suffering from mental challenges will lead to discrimination and suffering.

    We must support those in our community who have special needs.
     
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    If he was depressed he should have been grounded but the privacy act prevents his doctor from disclosing that to the airline.
     
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    There are something like 500,000 commercial pilots around the world (source Google). In a population this large you will have a percentage that are mentally unstable, some that are alcoholics, drug addicts, psychopaths, etc. Not much you can do about it except take precautions as best you can.
     
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    Lubitz doesn't sound German
     
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    Your not buying the story that the co-pilot was straight. Everyone assumes because there is a picture of him with Golden Gate Bridge in the background and he started out as fight attendant he was Gay.
     
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    Just yesterday, Judge Andrew Napolitano on Fox was saying that the American families have the potential for a serious lawsuit in the U.S. if it's later reviled that Lufthansa had prior knowledge that he had mental issues and still allowed him to fly. After this, I wonder what top law firms are beating down the doors of the families?
     
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    What does being a flight attendant have to do with being nicknamed Tomato Andy ?
    Do they serve tomatoes on German budget airline flights ?
     
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    Just as long as they aren't allowed to operate airplanes or large vehicles
     
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    :bigthink




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    I heard he was a nurse prior to his airline gig.
     
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    Anal :dontknow:
     
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    I was wondering that myself, maybe it's in reference to the old "There's a pubic hair in my tomato juice" saying?? :dontknow:
     
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    I was working at a hospital close by the airport when we got a pilot who had a heart attack. Three days later he was in full blown DTs. He would have lost his job anyway due to the heart attack, no one knew he was an alcoholic!


    UOTE="Getthepoisonout, post: 8982479, member: 3152"]There are something like 500,000 commercial pilots around the world (source Google). In a population this large you will have a percentage that are mentally unstable, some that are alcoholics, drug addicts, psychopaths, etc. Not much you can do about it except take precautions as best you can.[/QUOTE]
     
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    I don't know what laws are in regarding settlements for liable deaths are in Europe. I have posted that I believe Lufthansa will pay out about $3 million plus for each passenger to the families. I think they will offer more than generous settlements to make this disaster go away. The damage to the airlines reputation is huge.
     
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    Fucking ridiculous policies. Allowing 1 pilot by himself in the cockpit? What if he has a heart attack and falls in front of the door, rendering it unable to be opened?
     
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