News N.C. troopers on food stamps, taking second jobs amid pay fight

Discussion in 'The Howard Stern Show' started by dawg, Nov 26, 2015.

  1. dawg

    dawg In The Dog House Staff Member

    Reputations:
    540,645
    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2010
    Messages:
    119,489
    Likes Received:
    90,777
    highwaypatrol01.jpg

    RALEIGH (AP) — State troopers suing North Carolina for millions of dollars in back pay say the state's broken promises have forced them into tough spots: working second jobs, moving in with parents, even going on food stamps.

    About 800 troopers — equivalent to half the force — have joined a class-action lawsuit arguing that the state promised a schedule of regular pay increases when they were hired, but reneged because of budget problems. Many took pay cuts when they were recruited from other agencies, expecting to catch up quickly because of raises traditionally given about once a year.

    "I don't think people understand the hard times we're going through," said Master Trooper Rick Quinones, who lives with his wife and two young daughters in a spare bedroom at his parents' house.

    His wife and children are covered by Medicaid, he said, and they use WIC government food assistance.

    "That's a hit on your pride, especially when you're supposed to be the best that the state has to offer," he said.

    The group, which includes some former troopers, is appealing after a trial court judge ruled against them in the nearly 2-year-old case.

    "We took an oath to protect the public, and that's what we do. We are in harm's way every day," said Robbie Terry, a 47-year-old master trooper who's based in Columbus County. "It's all about what's right and wrong, and we have been wronged. We've not been paid the money that we were promised."

    When Terry became a trooper about eight years ago, he took a pay cut of several thousand dollars from his job as an 8-year veteran of the Lumberton Police Department. He figured the move would pay off because of the raises — 5 percent about once a year — described by recruiters and listed in a pamphlet. Then pay freezes started in 2009.

    Traditionally, troopers received the raises for about six years until they became master troopers, commanding a salary around $60,000. But troopers who had yet to reach top pay before the freeze are way behind, said Fred Barbour, a lawyer for the troopers.

    For example, Terry and Quinones are each making around $45,000 despite both reaching master trooper rank.

    Lawmakers agreed last year to an increase of around 5 percent for troopers who hadn't reached top-pay status. Another such raise is due next year, and a separate boost of 3 percent was given to all troopers, regardless of pay status, in 2015.

    Still, troopers argue damage has already been done: Terry says he's behind by tens of thousands of dollars. And if his pay doesn't catch up before retires in a few years, the pain will be compounded by lower retirement benefits based on his salary.

    During warm-weather months, he works eight hours each day off cutting grass to supplement his income. The worst part has been losing time with his two sons during their teenage years while working two jobs: "That's years you can't get back."

    Others have faced deeper hardship. Sgt. Daniel Jenkins, president of the North Carolina Troopers Association, said the group has given financial help to several troopers behind on house payments or swamped with medical bills. He's heard of as many as a dozen using food stamps or other government assistance, but he suspects others keep the problems to themselves.

    "They are very proud. They're ashamed that they can't make ends meet. The real number could be much higher," he said.

    The recession caused budget problems for departments around the country. A Police Executive Research Forum survey of more than 600 agencies in 2010 found more than half curtailed salaries among other belt-tightening measures.

    The national president of the Fraternal Order of Police, Chuck Canterbury, said there have been fights at the bargaining table by state police unions elsewhere since the Great Recession, but North Carolina is the only place where he's aware of troopers suing over pay.

    Canterbury said he's heard of officers elsewhere — usually at small-town police departments — who qualify for food stamps or are making close to minimum wage.

    Quinones, who patrols Moore and Hoke counties southwest of Raleigh, said his parents offered to let him move in around the time he got married three years ago because he was having trouble keeping his head above water financially.

    The 39-year-old, who served six years in the U.S. Army and has been in law enforcement for about 15 years, said he and his wife share a single bedroom with a newborn and 18-month-old. He said they've used WIC and Medicaid since around when their older daughter was born.

    He hopes to move out after he saves for a down payment on a house.

    In the meantime, the trooper feels judged by cashiers in his small town when he uses a WIC voucher, even if he's not in uniform.

    "It's hard especially when you go into your local grocery store with one of those WIC stamps," he said. "You know what they're thinking."

    http://www.journalnow.com/n-c-troop...cle_aeb098bd-8d45-5b82-a3f5-8e58921477db.html
     
  2. LawyerLarry

    LawyerLarry Mr. Fuckmoney in the Bank VIP

    Reputations:
    -208,181
    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2014
    Messages:
    27,897
    Likes Received:
    124,994
    tldr, but what a fucking bum. Already on the government payroll tax payers' dollars and still getting welfare on top of that. Fuck that guy.
     
  3. TheLACritic

    TheLACritic Well-Known Member VIP

    Reputations:
    20,156
    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2012
    Messages:
    2,015
    Likes Received:
    4,108
    The land of abundance? We have money for refugees but not these guys? I know it's a bit more complex. Who knows what the tax base is, is the economy improving, what kind of mismanagement are the politicians responsible for, do they need that many cops, etc.?
     
    Fatass, GIRLY, Rescued Owl and 2 others like this.
  4. JameGumb

    JameGumb We're all out of toner!

    Reputations:
    227,964
    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2013
    Messages:
    35,580
    Likes Received:
    26,850
    But some how we have the money for 100 thousand new Syrian refugees. Fucking ponderous.
     
    Fatass, GIRLY, Rescued Owl and 9 others like this.
  5. JameGumb

    JameGumb We're all out of toner!

    Reputations:
    227,964
    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2013
    Messages:
    35,580
    Likes Received:
    26,850
    Faggot says what?

     
  6. JameGumb

    JameGumb We're all out of toner!

    Reputations:
    227,964
    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2013
    Messages:
    35,580
    Likes Received:
    26,850
    How about congress, the Senate and the prez take pay cuts? And not go on vacations on the tax payer bill?
     
    Scarlett Ohara, Homerj123 and WHTHS like this.
  7. TheLACritic

    TheLACritic Well-Known Member VIP

    Reputations:
    20,156
    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2012
    Messages:
    2,015
    Likes Received:
    4,108
    Yeah, the politicians think they can just raise taxes for bad spending decisions, or borrow in terms of the federal government. But no politicians takes a pay cut not matter how incompetent.
     
  8. skylarbrie

    skylarbrie VIP Extreme Gold

    Reputations:
    32,852
    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2012
    Messages:
    10,407
    Likes Received:
    6,745
    republican controlled state houses are keen to cut taxes, and even more keen to subsidize political cronies...someone has to suffer
     
    Ving, Droog and JFK like this.
  9. Gusbuss

    Gusbuss VIP Extreme Gold

    Reputations:
    45,675
    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    3,987
    Likes Received:
    2,921
    Wonder if they have a police union in NC ? Maybe it's a right to work state. In other words they are fucked
     
  10. JFK

    JFK Ask not what your country can do for you. Gold

    Reputations:
    98,760
    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2015
    Messages:
    5,404
    Likes Received:
    11,030
    It would be interesting to see how many of those guys opt out of supporting their Union.
     
    Ving likes this.
  11. Beth143nacho

    Beth143nacho Well-Known Member VIP

    Reputations:
    64,696
    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2012
    Messages:
    19,874
    Likes Received:
    16,666
    You prioritize what you like. You let what you don't like fend for itself.
     
    dknice likes this.
  12. Skipnoid

    Skipnoid Lick Me!

    Reputations:
    130,457
    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2014
    Messages:
    12,544
    Likes Received:
    16,657
    Yeah, but haw about your AV's pooper? It makes everything seem so much nicer!
     
  13. Kool

    Kool Well-Known Member

    Reputations:
    32,141
    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2012
    Messages:
    8,615
    Likes Received:
    8,812
    45k for down south is not dirt poor salary, they probably bought over priced homes, cars.
     
    Bob barker, Kilroy, Lemmy and 2 others like this.
  14. kggtty

    kggtty Well-Known Member Banned User

    Reputations:
    7,105
    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2015
    Messages:
    806
    Likes Received:
    1,293
    lmao who cares

    fuck cops.. don't want to generalize. i appreciate what they do, but most of them have the jerkoff attitude

    go paramedics!

    im white btw
     
    bea miller likes this.
  15. NiggalissCage

    NiggalissCage Well-Known Member

    Reputations:
    16,555
    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2011
    Messages:
    2,611
    Likes Received:
    3,627


    They are free to get another, better paying job anytime they want. Why are they sticking around?
     
  16. Droog

    Droog Well-Known Member VIP

    Reputations:
    134,800
    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2012
    Messages:
    15,082
    Likes Received:
    19,186
    Police unions back Repubs and thus are treated well by them.
     
  17. Anyonenow

    Anyonenow Well-Known Member

    Reputations:
    119,578
    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2011
    Messages:
    7,481
    Likes Received:
    5,597
    Makes $45K

    "I don't think people understand the hard times we're going through," said Master Trooper Rick Quinones, who lives with his wife and two young daughters in a spare bedroom at his parents' house.
    His wife and children are covered by Medicaid, he said, and they use WIC government food assistance.


    :bigthink Have the Wife get a JOB!
     
  18. SouthernListen

    SouthernListen I don't follow the crowd. Sorry about that. VIP

    Reputations:
    240,304
    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    38,692
    Likes Received:
    39,413
    $45K plus benefits, plus a pension. That's more than the median income for sure.

    Americans have been taught to live paycheck to paycheck. If you make $45K after working your way up to Master trooper, you're not ready for kids. If 5% pay raises are the difference between food stamps or not, you're not ready to have kids.
     
    Fatass, Bob barker, JFK and 3 others like this.
  19. señor pedro

    señor pedro El Chocha Master Bee Ay Pii Gold

    Reputations:
    3,389
    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2015
    Messages:
    1,275
    Likes Received:
    1,060
    Es un estado rojo, y apuesto que la mayoria de ellos votan republicano. Ellos todavia no se dan cuenta que los republicanos apoyan a los policias y las tropas solamente con palabras y no con acciones. No me puedo sentir mal por ellos. :dontknow:
     
  20. crash83

    crash83 VIP Extreme Gold

    Reputations:
    10,930
    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2011
    Messages:
    3,613
    Likes Received:
    3,420
    I have made 45k a year in my past and i didn't need food stamps..Household of five and i pay child support to my ex.
    Hell if i would have applied for food stamps i would have been laughed out of the building.
     
    Howchilla likes this.