New York Times: Anti-Muslim Is Anti-American

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  1. Tim

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/23/opinion/anti-muslim-is-anti-american.html

    Charles M
    . Blow, a New York Times columnist, writes today:

    There seems to be no bottom to the cesspool of Islamophobic rhetoric coming from Republican candidates.

    The tone of anti-Muslim musings post-Paris attack has become so poisonous that it cannot portend anything positive.

    In the latest, the Republican front-runner said the United States would have “absolutely no choice” but to close some mosques. And, when asked by a reporter, he seemed to suggest he wouldn’t have a problem registering Muslims, which many have condemned, comparing it to the way Jews were once treated. (After heavy bipartisan criticism, he tried to walk back his remarks about the registry.)

    And then Dr. Ben Carson drew a tortured parallel between Syrian refugees, who are mostly Muslim, and “a rabid dog running around your neighborhood.”

    Indeed, this is the problem with reckless, racist rhetoric: Each utterance tosses one more log onto the bonfire that can burn out a space for the unimaginable.

    The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. warned in his 1967 “The Other America” speech: “Racism is evil because its ultimate logic is genocide.” As King put it:

    “If one says that I am not good enough to live next door to him; if one says that I am not good enough to eat at a lunch counter, or to have a good, decent job, or to go to school with him merely because of my race, he is saying consciously or unconsciously that I do not deserve to exist.”

    Whereas these candidates may not be conscious of this “ultimate logic” or in any way approve of it, it doesn’t make their language any less dangerous when it lands on the ears of the minorities on the margins, or those looking for a reason to gussy up their wrongheadedness with righteousness.

    As the ACLU has written of these laws:

    “Efforts to single out Muslims and to advance the ugly idea that anything Islamic is un-American are unjust and discriminatory and should be rejected. Laws that single out Sharia violate the First Amendment by treating one belief system as suspect.”

    This demonizing a single religious faith is a slippery slope. It feeds something that is at odds with the most noble ambition of this country’s better angels: equality.

    We must put a lid on this corrosive language. Simply put, being specifically anti-Muslim is, in a way, anti-American.
     
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    my thoughts on this article: Islamophobia does not exist. A phobia is an irrational fear. There is nothing irrational about the fear or hatred of Islam. It's , in fact, completely rational. The "racist rhetoric" is also bullshit because Islam is a school of thought and not a race. I have to guess this columnist is just willfully lying. He even defends Sharia. disgusting piece to see in a major American paper
     
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    His name is Blow

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    When the shit hits the fan and we will be forced to defend ourselves, I will not lift a finger to help a bleeding-heart liberal democrat.
    I will watch them die and laugh with joy.
     
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    I'm sure there's plenty of room in the big, cushy Manhattan NYT building to house all the peace lovers. Prolly a lot of room at Pinch Sulzberger's estate too.

    Lead by example NYT. Lead by example.
     
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    This is where bill marher is 100% right about the far left. I am a progressive liberal type of guy, but let's face the percentages here. I think Christianity can be full of retards and cookey behavior, but not a lot of religious terrorist acts committed. Jews, again not really a big fear from their camp. Then we have the Islamic religion, in which a good portion of their billion plus following is completely willing to fuck with and carry out attacks on innocent people to push their extreme belief in their religion.

    So if almost all modern terrorism is carried out by Islamic followers, well it's not racist, Islamophobic, or even anti American. It's just playing the odds in your favor.
     
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    Having a bias against Hindus or Buddhists would be "phobic", having one against muslims is just being informed.
     
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    Hey, I wonder who the NYT supports in the primaries? :giggle:
     
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    No fan of religion.......any religion. Its all man created bullshit. But we do have freedom of religion in this country and that is one of the things that makes this country great. If idiots want to be muslims, that's their problem not mine.
     
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    It's a bullshit term that far left extremists have been trying to make catch on for more than a decade

    and it actually worked in Europe - in the UK, Islamophobia is a word constantly thrown around to shut down speech

    I can't remember how he tears it apart and can't watch right now, but another journalist Christopher Hitchens destroys the idea in this interview. Funny that he's arguing with a CAIR spokesman here so many years ago, and CAIR is in this piece of trash NYT article too. Not a coincidence.

     
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    you people need another lecture from prez. fuckface

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    hitchens was a weirdo that went from hardcore liberal/socialist to neocon the last few years of his life

    charles blow is much more sensible/credible on this subject

    that carson quote is terrible
     
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    As human beings we build up defensive mechanisms to things that are a threat. Part of survival is fear, thus the reason when we see a black widow spider or a poisonous snake our natural instincts are to avoid the situation. I would say fear of islam is a natural response based on the fact we don't want our heads chopped off or be stoned to death.
     
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    care to respond on my points and explain why this writing is sensible? He mentions "islamophobia", which doesn't exist. He calls anti-Muslim "racist" when Muslim is an ideology and not a race. similar to saying if you're anti-Nazi , you're racist against white people because mostly white people are Nazis. most Muslims are brown but you're not racist towards brown people for being anti-Muslim, you're against their ideology.

    furthermore he cites CAIR which has known links to terrorist organizations, spits on Martin Luther King, and lies about sharia law (which in fact IS imposed on citizens, and not about self governance). What is sensible about this article? Because the article seems like disgusting garbage to me, from top to bottom
     
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    What if they want to make you a Muslim?

    Muslims do not believe in freedom "from" religion. You either believe in Mohammed, or you are classified as not human. Instead of a master race, they believe in a master religion.
    Maybe in time Muslims will learn to live in peace with the rest of us, but I doubt it. Like all people, they will only change when they are on the brink of complete destruction.

    Sharia law is as incompatible with America as communism or fascism. Anyone advocating for it is a traitor.
     
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    Pure bs, I'm not even going to characterize it as a progressive attitude, its the opinion of a fool.
     
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    I'm of the belief that the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim.

    The world would be a better place without any of them.
     
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    He's just butthurt that Hitchens, formerly a hero, realized much of that liberal stuff was suicidal.
     
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