Nursing Home Residents Asked To Repay Their "Gift From Obama"

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    FEMA asking disabled, elderly residents to repay aid from superstorm Sandy
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    Belle Harbor Manor resident Robert Rosenberg, 61, who suffers from a spinal disability and has other chronic health problems, sits in his room in an assisted living facility in New York, Thursday, Nov. 6, 2014, where he and elderly, poor and disabled residents endured four months of misery after Superstorm Sandy flooded the center, located on New York's vulnerable Rockaway peninsula. Rosenberg holds a letter from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) asking him to pay back all the federal disaster aid he received after the storm. He is among a dozen residents of Belle Harbor Manor who have been asked to return aid money. (AP Photo/Kathy Willens)




    The residents of Belle Harbor Manor spent four miserable months in emergency shelters after Superstorm Sandy's floodwaters surged through their assisted-living center on New York City's Rockaway peninsula.

    Now, the home's disabled, elderly and mostly poor residents have a new headache: The Federal Emergency Management Agency has asked at least a dozen of them to pay back thousands of dollars in disaster aid.

    Robert Rosenberg, 61, was among the Belle Harbor Manor residents who recently got notices from FEMA informing them that they had retroactively been declared ineligible for aid checks they received two years ago in the storm's immediate aftermath. The problem, the letters said, was that the money was supposed to have been spent on temporary housing, but that never happened because the residents were moved from one state-funded shelter to another.

    FEMA gave Rosenberg until Nov. 15 to send a refund check for $2,486 or file an appeal.

    "We're on a fixed income. I don't have that kind of money!" said Rosenberg, who suffers from a spinal disability and other chronic health problems. He said he spent the aid money long ago on food and clothing, both of which were in short supply after the storm.

    "We're on a fixed income. I don't have that kind of money!"
    - Robert Rosenberg

    The demand letters are part of a broader FEMA effort to recover millions of dollars in aid payments that went to ineligible households, either because of errors, a misunderstanding of the rules or outright fraud.

    The Associated Press reported in September that FEMA was scrutinizing 4,500 households it suspected had received improper payments. At that time, 850 had been asked to return a collective $5.8 million. The other cases were still under review.

    The AP on Tuesday asked for updated numbers on the number of storm victims who had been asked to return money, but FEMA didn't immediately provide them.

    Data obtained through a previous public records request, however, showed that as of July 30, the agency was considering a recoupment action against 35 residents of assisted living facilities in the same part of Queens that is home to Belle Harbor Manor. Collectively, those residents had received $108,598, with most of that money intended to cover temporary housing. Five residents had also received aid to cover destroyed belongings.

    After their chaotic evacuation, Belle Harbor Manor residents were initially taken to a huge evacuation center set up inside a Brooklyn armory, then spent a brief period sleeping four-to-a-room at a hotel in a crime-plagued neighborhood where they were advised not to go outside after dark.

    The state then moved the residents, many of whom suffer from mild mental illnesses, to a halfway house on the grounds of a partly-abandoned psychiatric hospital in Queens, where they bunked on cots and were barred from having visitors in their rooms.

    Rosenberg said the FEMA workers who urged him to apply for assistance during the period when residents were staying at the armory never explained that the money could only be used for housing.

    "Everyone asked, 'Do we have to pay this back later on? Is it a loan?' They said, 'No. It's a gift from Obama
    ,'" he said. "If I wasn't eligible, then why give it to me in the first place? They knew we were living in an adult home. They knew our shelter was being paid for by the state. It's not like we lied on the application."

    At the time, it wasn't clear how long they would be in the shelter, or where they would go next.

    FEMA spokeswoman Rafael Lemaitre said the agency was required by law to recoup improper payments but did not directly address the residents' situation.

    "FEMA remains committed to working with applicants and ensuring they have an understanding of the options available to resolve their debt, which includes making a payment, filling an appeal, requesting a compromise and establishing a payment plan," he said.

    More common types of FEMA recoupment actions involve households ineligible for assistance because their damaged properties were vacation homes or rental properties, or families that received extra payments because more than one household member had applied for assistance. FEMA also commonly recoups emergency aid payments for damage later covered by insurance.

    Lawyers at MFY Legal Services, a legal aid group that has worked with adult home residents in the past, have offered to help Belle Harbor Manor residents with their appeals.

    "Our position is that it would be an unbearable financial hardship and unjust," to require the residents to repay the money, said MFY attorney Nahid Sorooshyari.
     
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    Make em pay.
    Just like any other person that was/is ineligible.
     
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    If it was supposed to be spent on housing, and he HAD housing, I'm with the government on this.

    My home was declared off limits for 3 months. I wasnt relocated into govt funded housing.
     
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    What's most surprising is a group home in Belle Harbor. Beautiful neighborhood.
     
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    Should read
    "I knew we were living in an adult home. I knew our shelter was being paid for by the state."

    Just like all those that were forced to give back money ...that filed false claims in South FL during Wilma.
     
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    Do they do this to all of the welfare rats in his hometown of Chicago?
     
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    I think the issue is pick and choosing where the govt asks to have the money doled out repaid. If one of the Reggies that lived in government housing for years wins the lottery, shouldn't they pay back everything they took? :dontknow:
     
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    Not if they were legally eligible at the time they received it.

    The issue is these people were NEVER eligible for housing aid, AND anyone with half a brain should have known it.

    I got FEMA aid because my furniture was destroyed by the hurricane. The guy came to see the furniture. We both knew my furniture was destroyed. I needed money to get new stuff.

    These people moved from one home to another with no out of pocket expense. Duh.

    It's like the idiots who keep the insurance checks meant for me. I've actually said to people "let me get this straight. You think YOU should get paid for the dental work I provided you and not me?"
     
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    I don't even know what to say.

    Lottery isn't administered by the federal gov't.
    However, the WHITE guy in the articoe...that is living off the gov't teet..was looking for an extra payout.
     
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    I think it is also problematic that taxpayer money is going to replace fucking furniture. Rebuild damaged areas of a home sure but replacing a couch or dinette set? Nah uh.
     
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    Anyone who defrauded the G should be prosecuted. The amount of mooching is sickening.
     
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    Isn't everyone on a 'fixed income'? I guess being salaried my whole professional life makes that term less meaningful.
     
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    you're entitled to your opinion. but i got the money legally.
     
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    In addition to (in place of)emergency related housing...

    Money is available for necessary expenses and serious needs caused by the disaster.

    This includes:
    • Disaster-related medical and dental expenses.
    • Disaster-related funeral and burial expenses.
    • Clothing; household items (room furnishings, appliances); tools (specialized or protective clothing and equipment) required for your job; necessary educational materials (computers, school books, supplies).
    • Fuels for primary heat source (heating oil, gas).
    • Clean-up items (wet/dry vacuum, dehumidifier).
    • Disaster-related damage to a vehicle.
    • Moving and storage expenses related to the disaster (moving and storing property to avoid additional disaster damage while disaster-related repairs are being made to the home).
    • Other necessary expenses or serious needs as determined by FEMA.
    • Other expenses that are authorized by law.
    http://www.fema.gov/disaster-assistance-available-fema
     
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    You misunderstand what FEMA is/does.
    If they were to repair damaged property... the system would be bankrupt with one disaster.
    NO ONE, unless required by mortgage, would have insurance(or be significantly under insured).
    We would all just expect the gov't to pay for the repairs to the homes buildings etc.