NYC Teachers Can't Win

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  1. newcastlefan

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    You try to reach your students by teaching them in the language they speak at home and on the streets, and you get rated as "ineffective"?

    Lets axe yous this: "if their parents refuse to set the example by speaking proper English, and instead talk like ebonics rejects, in order for the teachers to reach the kids they have to work in a language the kids understand and are experienced. Doing this gets them low rated. Way to setup the teachers to fail no mater what they do. Is it any wonder nobody wants to be a teacher anymore?


    Black students are more likely to get ‘ineffective’ teachers: report

    Black students in New York state are 44 percent more likely than white students to have a teacher rated “ineffective” in math, and 35 percent more likely to have one rated “ineffective” in English, startling new figures from the state Education Department show.


    The unprecedented analysis stemmed from the results of the statewide teacher-evaluation system, which for the first time required student performance on standardized exams to factor into teachers’ ratings.



    The report found that Hispanic students are also more likely to get stuck with bottom-rated instructors than their white peers, but by a smaller margin of 15 percent in math and 7 percent in English.



    Asian students, by contrast, are 2.4 times less likely than white students to be taught by “ineffective” teachers in both subjects.



    Advocates say the problem should be addressed in part by paying the best teachers a higher salary to work in the lowest-performing schools, something that’s currently barred by most teacher union contracts.



    “Effective teachers who take on the toughest challenges should be recognized and rewarded for doing so — as professionals are in every other field,” said Dan Weisberg, CEO of TNTP, a national nonprofit dedicated to educational inequality.



    The state data show that low-performing students of all races — who need the most help and the strongest teachers — are also getting short-changed when it comes to the caliber of their teachers.



    With the state Board of Regents set to vote next week on strengthening the teacher-evaluation system, advocates said the data helps demonstrate the pressing need for improvements.



    “On Monday, the Board of Regents have a choice — they can keep pretending students across the state all have access to great teachers or they can accept reality and use evidence from an accurate evaluation system to make the real changes our kids deserve,” said Jenny Sedlis, executive director of StudentsFirstNY.



    The United Federation of Teachers said a provision in last year’s contract allows hard-to-staff schools to pay all of their teachers — except those rated “ineffective” — a modest bonus of $5,000.



    But the city Department of Education has yet to enact the program.

     
  2. Stew Nod

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    thanks Obama
     
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    I want to know how they measure caliber of teacher.
     
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    exams are not the best way to evaluate a teacher.
     
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    exams never tell the whole story
     
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    lets teach to test

    this way we can skew results an tell them they suck and should be paid less

    the teachers union has a lock hold on the education system

    privatization is the key

    lets cripple the public education system

    and create more charter schools that funnel tax payer money to billionaires
     
  7. newcastlefan

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    they aren't the best way to evaluate a student either, but they are all we have that we can administer en masse
     
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    what a dumb statement

    tests are designed to make sure a student is doing his work and keeping up

    testing students to see if their teacher is teaching them is backwards
     
  9. newcastlefan

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    there was a time when public schools were fantastic compared to what is available today. attendance was > 80%. the doors were not chained shut. the teachers wanted to be there and actually enjoyed teaching.

    then we allowed parents to control what was done, and how it was done in schools and everything went to shit.

    most parents are clueless because we allow anyone to be a parent ,and we do not require that they demonstrate any basic competencies. if all you learned in life is how to collect child support payments, you have no business dictating how or what kids should be taught.
     
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    nope. you obviously did not learn anything in school. did you attend?

    you prove my earlier statement: you have no business dictating how schools teach because you are clueless.
     
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    that's so racist

    my public school was not fantastic by any stretch of the imagination

    I put my kids through public school

    The trick is for the parents to have the time to participate in their child's education.

    I think it's important for parents to have a say as well as participate. Unfortunately, disadvantaged parents are forced work long hours and off hours.
     
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    I've had some doosies as teachers for my kids.

    You can switch them out if you don't like the teacher.
     
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    Charter schools are the latest corruption and tax payer money grab by billionaires to date.

    They don't perform better than public schools and they are designed to bust the teachers union, lower teacher's standards, lower teachers pay and to privatize education all the while blaming the public schools for failing us.

    More freedoms taken away from the people.
     
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    I teach in a school where only 5% of the population is white. I was rated Highly Effective(top rated) :hat:
     
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    Isn't there some kind of faggy New York City forum you can post all this irrelevant shit on?
     
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    teach to test more
     
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    The only thing the blacks really had to learn was how to pick cotton. That wasn't good enough for them so now they are gonna cry and blame the teachers because they can't keep up with the white man's intelligence? o_O
     
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    I want to know how lowering teacher's standards and pay somehow creates a utopia of education.
     
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    In an unrelated story, retards are dumb
     
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    I agree.