Politics ******Official GOP Debate Thread - November 10th*****

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    5 things to watch in tonight’s debate
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    Marco Rubio, Donald Trump and Ben Carson at the start of the third Republican Presidential Debate. | Getty

    MILWAUKEE – Nearly two weeks after a climactic battle in Boulder, Republican candidates take the stage tonight for a high-stakes clash that will shape the contours of the winter primary season.

    Jeb Bush, who limped out of the last debate, is under perhaps the greatest pressure of all. With his poll numbers plummeting to the mid-single digits, the former Florida governor must prove he can handle his rival and one-time friend, Marco Rubio. Ben Carson, who has been under intense scrutiny in recent weeks over his personal narrative, will need to fend off an almost-certain offensive from Donald Trump. Chris Christie, a once-towering figure who rose to prominence through his larger-than-life persona, aims to demonstrate he can make a splash in the less-watched and lower-profile undercard debate.

    And host Fox Business wants to prove it can put on a better show than competitor CNBC, which fumbled badly with its Republican debate last month.

    Here is what POLITICO is watching in Tuesday’s Republican debate.

    A Bush-Cruz tag-team?
    Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz are starkly different candidates – one an establishment favorite with a patrician pedigree, the other a tea party bomb-thrower who’s made a career out of antagonizing leaders of his own party.

    Yet, on Tuesday night, they may end up being debate partners.

    Campaign insiders are abuzz about the possibility that the two candidates, who are running in opposite lanes of the primary, could team up to take down Marco Rubio. The thinking? Rubio is a competitor to both, making a play for the establishment vote Bush is seeking and the conservative support that Cruz is trying to lock up. Both have gone after Rubio in recent days. Bush has hammered the Florida lawmaker for missing Senate votes, while Cruz, during an interview on CNN last week, chose the ever-loaded term “moderate” to label him.

    Aides to Bush and Cruz declined to discuss the possibility of a debate alliance – and in the end, it may not pan out. Cruz, after all, has so far been reluctant to go after his rivals during debates.

    Bush, though, has given no indication he plans to let up. Even after his boss’s botched attack on the senator during the last debate, Bush campaign manager Danny Diaz, an operative steeped in the art of oppo research, has privately expressed a desire to continue jabbing. Rubio’s team says he’ll be ready: The senator has been holding debate practice sessions led by longtime adviser Todd Harris.

    The former Florida governor is under pressure to perform, no matter how he decides to approach Rubio - something his advisers are well aware of. On Wednesday, Diaz, along with Bush fundraiser Heather Larrison, held a conference call with New York donors to discuss the path forward. At one point, according to one person on the call, Diaz brought up Bush’s less-than-impressive performance in the last debate.

    Bush, Diaz said, was preparing for this round differently: He said the former governor was now getting help from veteran Republican image guru and Roger Ailes adviser Jon Kraushar - and said supporters should expect a better performance.

    Trump vs. Carson
    Those who’ve followed Donald Trump’s debate style closely have noticed a distinct pattern. Near the start of each debate, the real estate developer and television celebrity will open with a “big blast” against one of his rivals. In the first showdown, it was directed at Rand Paul. In the second, at Jeb Bush. And in the third go-round, at John Kasich.

    This time, his target seems certain: Ben Carson.

    In recent days, Trump has been torching Carson – who has passed the billionaire in some early state polls – over his personal narrative. Appearing on CNN’s “State of the Union,” on Sunday, Trump raised questions about details of a childhood story Carson told about once stabbing a friend. He also expressed concern about the retired neurosurgeon's mentality, saying he had “pathological” anger problems in his younger years.

    But taking on Carson isn’t without risk. Fox Business is allowing candidates 60 seconds to rebut attacks – double the amount of time given during the last debate. That means Carson would have a substantial amount of time to push back against any criticism directed his way – and to reiterate, as he did over the weekend, his contention that questions about his past are generated by a press corps with a vendetta against him.

    Carson’s camp says it’s not sure what Trump will do.

    "You never know which Donald is going to show up,” said Carson campaign manager Barry Bennett. “The man on Twitter or the guy who tells you privately how much he likes you."

    If Carson does come under assault, another candidate making a play for his conservative supporters - perhaps Cruz - could come to his defense.

    Fox Business’s time to shine
    Nearly two weeks after CNBC stumbled, Fox Business, a newer and less established business network with a smaller viewership, has an opportunity to prove itself as a debate host.

    Those who have been briefed on the network’s plans say it wants its debate to be what CNBC’s wasn’t: Policy-focused and chaos-free. One senior Fox Business official said the network was spending the final hours in the run-up to the program carefully scrubbing questions to ensure they “squeezed out nonsense and bias.”

    The network’s planning team – which has been led by Fox News political director Cherie Grzech – has earned high marks from senior campaign aides. On Wednesday, Grzech helped to lead a conference call for senior campaign aides that had none of the backbiting and drama that defined the planning calls leading up to CNBC’s debate. On Monday, she led the campaigns on a walk-through of the stage – and elicited none of the complaints that arose during the tour of the CNBC site, when aides griped about uncomfortable greenroom conditions.

    Grzech has won plaudits for making herself accessible, handing out her email and cell phone and making it clear that she’s the point person in the event aides have concerns about how much speaking time their candidates are receiving during the program. During the CNBC debate, some aides groused they didn’t know who to turn to when problems arise – leading some to mistakenly reach out to NBC officials, who had nothing to do with the broadcast. At one point, Bush’s manager Diaz got into a mid-debate confrontation with a CNBC producer over his candidate’s allotted time.

    Fox Business is formatting the program to ensure that moderators have greater control. The network will be using a buzzer when the debaters reach the end of their answer time, forgoing the flashing light that CNBC utilized – which candidates blew right through.

    No matter what transpires, don’t expect the campaigns to target Fox Business as they did with CNBC. The parent network, after all, is a favorite of the Republican primary voters the candidates are trying to appeal to.

    Christie’s opportunity
    Chris Christie’s failure to get on the primetime debate stage is a serious blow to his candidacy, which had been picking up steam as of late. Tuesday’s undercard program, in which he will appear on the same stage as back-of-the-pack candidates Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, and Bobby Jindal, will draw far fewer eyeballs than the later one.

    Yet those close to Christie – who was described as surprised by Fox Business’ decision to keep him out of the main event - insist it could give him the chance to stand out. With fewer people on stage, they say, he’ll have a bigger platform and more time to talk.

    For Christie, who entered the primary as an underdog and has been trying to rehabilitate his battered political image, debates have been a strength. He’s been practicing with a tight-knit group of advisers that includes Maria Comella and Russ Schriefer.

    Perhaps the biggest question, though, is whether being relegated to the undercard will dry up Christie’s fundraising, which had already been lagging. The governor has maintained a small but loyal base of financial support, thanks in large part to his past tenure as Republican Governors Association chairman. He is slated to hold around a dozen fundraisers through the end of the year, including one in Northern California next week hosted by Hewlett Packard executive Meg Whitman.

    Bobbie Kilberg, a Christie fundraiser, insisted the demotion wouldn’t hurt the governor with the money crowd. The announcement, she contended, had sparked the interest of donors who viewed the decision as unfair – some of whom had previously said they were reluctant to support Christie.

    “The Fox decision on the debate is outrageous and unfair, but it is turning out to be an opportunity for Chris,” Kilberg said. “It has sparked additional focus on Chris, including by donors.”
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    Fireworks from the underdogs?
    The spotlight will also be on those candidates who are trailing – and who need to make something happen, fast.

    The three lowest polling candidates in the primetime debate – Carly Fiorina, John Kasich, and Rand Paul – were near-afterthoughts in the CNBC debate. With the clock ticking down to the start of the primary season, none can afford to have repeat performances. There is also the additional pressure of being granted entry to the next debate, which will be held next month and broadcast on CNN. The network has yet to announce its polling cutoff for determining who qualifies for the primetime program.

    With fewer candidates onstage – there will be just eight, down from 10 in the previous debate – each will have a larger spotlight and more of an opportunity to distinguish themselves.

    If recent campaign activities are any indication, it’s Paul who might make the biggest wave on Tuesday. On Friday, he drew headlines for crashing a Democratic presidential forum in South Carolina. Over the weekend, he went after Rubio by contending that he embraced the same neoconservative strain of foreign policy as Hillary Clinton.
     
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    ...this is on fox news channel? what time?
     
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    Everything you need to know about Tuesday's Republican debate
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    Republican presidential candidates take the stage during the CNBC Republican presidential debate. | AP Photo

    When is the next Republican presidential debate?
    The fourth Republican presidential debate will be Tuesday, Nov. 10, live from the Milwaukee Theatre in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. The venue has a loaded history: On Oct. 14, 1912, candidate Teddy Roosevelt was shot in the chest by an assassin outside a Milwaukee hotel. Instead of heading to the hospital, he continued to the Milwaukee Auditorium (now the Milwaukee Theatre) to deliver a 90-minute campaign speech. In front of a horrified audience and with the bullet lodged in his rib, he pulled a bloodied 50-page speech with bullet holes in it from his coat pocket and declared, “It takes more than that to kill a bull moose.”

    When and how long is the debate?
    The prime-time debate will last two hours and begins at 9 Eastern time. There are a few changes to the format: Candidates will not make opening statements, but they will have more time to make arguments. For an initial answer to a question, they get 90 seconds, in addition to 60 seconds for rebuttals. There will be short closing statements at the end of the debate.

    How can I watch the debate?
    It will air on Fox Business Network and be streamed for free on foxbusiness.com. No cable subscription is necessary. To capitalize on the ratings surges from earlier debates, FBN is also widening access to the channel for its pay-TV partners such as DirecTV. This will allow viewers who normally can’t access the network a chance to tune into the debate.

    Does this debate have a theme?
    This debate will pay attention to the same topics as the previous debate: jobs, taxes, the “general health of the economy,” and international issues.

    What about the furor over the last Republican debate?
    So far, not much has come of the campaigns’ meeting to iron out tension over the last debate and future formatting. Even after labeling the previous debate a “disaster,” the Republican National Committee has held firm in its commitment to oversee the schedule. Jeb Bush’s idea of adding a Telemundo debate was met with dismissiveness, and the Ben Carson campaign’s idea of using social media companies for broadcasting rights has not borne results. The candidates have not been able to unify behind a plan to reorganize the structure of the debates.

    Who will participate?
    The qualifications for this debate have altered the field of top candidates, irritating those eliminated from the main stage and those already part of the second-tier group. Because they failed to meet the 2.5 percent polling cutoff, Chris Christie and Mike Huckabee have been knocked down to the 7 p.m. debate, and Lindsey Graham and George Pataki have been eliminated from both stages. All of this changes the look of the main draw, with just eight candidates fielding questions.

    Who will participate in the 7 p.m. debate?
    A field of four will debate for an hour. After Huckabee and Christie take their places at new lecterns, two of the usual suspects will join them: Bobby Jindal and Rick Santorum.

    How did Fox Business Network decide who will be in the debate?
    For the main draw, Fox Business Network used just four recent polls by Fox News, The Wall Street Journal, Investor’s Business Daily and Quinnipiac and gave a spot to anyone with an average of at least 2.5 percent. The 7 p.m. debate includes four candidates polling at least 1 percent in a single poll.

    Will questions about the veracity of some pieces of Ben Carson’s personal story affect the debate?
    Now that Carson has earned a shared poll-leader status with Donald Trump, investigations into his biography are more contentious. A POLITICO report on Friday that debunked Carson’s claim that West Point offered him a scholarship followed suspicions of another possible invention: the seminal incident in which he tried to stab a friend as a teenager. If not questioned on the news by the moderators, Trump will almost surely broach the subject himself.

    Where will they stand on stage?
    Trump is still the highest-polling candidate and will stand center-stage for the debate, though, as with the last debate, an even number of candidates means Carson will also appear in the center. To Trump’s right will be Marco Rubio, Bush and John Kasich. To Carson’s left will be Ted Cruz, Carly Fiorina and Rand Paul.

    Who will moderate the debate?
    There will be three moderators: FBN anchors Maria Bartiromo and Neil Cavuto and Wall Street Journal editor-in-chief Gerard Baker. Before Cavuto was a Fox News staple (he hosts a show every afternoon at 4 p.m.), he interned in Jimmy Carter’s White House.

    How will libertarians react to the debate?
    That is apparently a question Fox Business Network is interested in, even with Paul limping through primary season. John Stossel will host a special edition of “Stossel” on FBN at midnight with a studio full of libertarians reacting to the debate.

    When is the fifth Republican debate?
    The fifth debate is scheduled for Tuesday, Dec. 15 in Las Vegas — the last Republican debate of the calendar year. It will be hosted by CNN and Salem Radio, meaning the ubiquitous Hugh Hewitt will return again to grill Republicans on the newest campaign controversies. Wolf Blitzer will moderate.

    When is the next Democratic debate?
    The next Democratic debate will be in Des Moines, Iowa, on Saturday, Nov. 14. It will be hosted by CBS News, KCCI-TV and the Des Moines Register at Drake University and is the only Iowa-based debate before the Feb. 1 caucuses.

    Noah Weiland is a researcher at Politico.
     
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    fox business channel. i assume around 8 or 9. they have the shitty undercard debate first (which now includes christie and huckabee, with graham and pataki getting axed :jj: )
     
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    Who will make Trump cry tonight?

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    I think you made a typo - you were supposed to put the word "make" after "Trump"
     
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    6pm kids debate
    8pm adults debate
     
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    There's been talk Cruz and Jeb might team up to attack Rubio, but I don't see Cruz breaking his nice guy persona just yet, unless he's forced to, and I think he's smart enough to know teaming up with Jeb for anything isn't gonna help him.


    Trump is crazy if he doesn't mention Mental Ben's support of Obamatrade and making Puerto Rico the 51st state (and throw in his support of gun control for good measure) :facepalm:
     
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    i think its at 9 EST
    they forcing ppl to be bored by lou dobbs in between debates
     
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    http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/11/09/what-time-is-the-milwaukee-republican-debate/

    As with the previous three, the Milwaukee event will feature two GOP debates. The undercard forum will begin at 7 p.m. ET and will last one hour. The main event for the leading Republican contenders kicks off at 9 p.m. ET and runs two hours.

    Both debates will be televised live on Fox Business Network and will also be streamed on FoxBusiness.com.
     
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    I didn't realize the site i was looking at was alabama-based :facepalm:

    who uses central time anyway :mad:

    @R.P. McMurphy sorry bud
     
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    dobbs was so much better on cnn. he's been totally neutered by fox. on cnn, he used to talk about immigration every night, now he barely mentions it
     
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    ...thats ok you helped me out i found the channel, regular and hd. looks like the 2nd string starts at 4 on the west coast and 6 for the trump carson event.
     
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    Trump voters, it gives them an extra hour to find their teeth, chewing tobacco and jump start their pick-ups.
     
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    I see Jeb having a better night tonight, I see Rubio getting dinged up tonight, I see Cruz doing well talking about his flat tax/abolishing IRS, I see Carson doing his usual lulling to sleep (but I see dumb Rove-picked crowd giving him loud cheers to show support over media "witch hunt"), and i see Trump doing pretty well
     
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    As opposed to those intelligent Trump haters who get fooled into supporting fake conservatives by Fox News hucksters :rolleyes:
     
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    This.