Politics Ohio voters soundly reject marijuana legalization initiative

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  1. dawg

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    The fear of a plant still carries on in 2015 :jj:

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    Ohio voters soundly rejected a marijuana initiative Tuesday that would have legalized recreational and medicinal use of the drug, and would have limited commercial growing to a small group of investors who drafted and promoted the measure.

    The initiative was failing 65% to 35%, with nearly 90% of precincts reporting.

    “Issue 3 has been soundly defeated!” Ohioans Against Marijuana Monopolies crowed on Twitter. “No marijuana monopolies in this state!”

    Four other states and the District of Columbia have already legalized the recreational sale of marijuana, which is still a federal crime. Ohio would have been the first state in the Midwest to do so.

    But along with opposition from anti-drug groups and state elected officials, Ohio’s unorthodox initiative drew discomfort from some legalization supporters.

    “This year's initiative failed because a greed-driven monopoly plan is wrong for the state of Ohio,” one competing pro-legalization group, Legalize Ohio 2016, said in a statement. “Some activists were let down tonight because they put their faith in a bad plan, but their efforts have brought us a step closer to legalizing marijuana in 2016.”

    Opponents alleged that Issue 3 would have effectively set up a monopoly by limiting commercial marijuana growth to 10 preselected plots of land owned by the entrepreneurs behind the measure.

    A group of 24 investors backing the measure included former NBA star Oscar Robertson, former boy-band celebrity Nick Lachey, and descendants of President William Howard Taft.

    The “ResponsibleOhio” legalization campaign was driven by political consultant Ian James, who acknowledged he would profit from the measure.

    “The honest and most easy response is: I am going to profit from this,” James told the Center for Public Integrity in June. “If people are upset about me making money, I don’t know what to say other than that that’s part of the American process. To win and make this kind of change for social justice, it does cost a lot of money.”

    In a televised concession speech Tuesday night, James called the loss “a bump in the road” and accused state legislators of “refus[ing] to deal with the voters.”

    State legislators seeking to derail Issue 3 had presented voters with an “anti-monopoly” initiative, Issue 2, designed to nullify the marijuana initiative and ban special-interest groups from creating constitutional amendments for financial gain.

    That anti-monopoly initiative was leading, 52% to 48%.

    Both measures appeared on the ballot Tuesday, presenting a potential legal conundrum if both were to pass.

    Generally, under Ohio law, whichever ballot measure receives more votes prevails.

    But Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted, who opposed the legalization effort, said that if both measures had passed, the legislators’ anti-monopoly initiative would have prevailed because it would go into effect immediately, while the voter-initiated marijuana measure would take 30 days.

    In that case, experts expected the marijuana-initiative supporters to take the matter to court.

    The vote for the anti-monopoly initiative was much closer. It was leading, 52% to 48%, with 76% of precincts reporting.

    The defeat of the marijuana measure was the first such loss for a recreational legalization initiative since 2012, and the first loss for marijuana advocates more generally since Florida rejected medical marijuana last year, according to John Hudak, a fellow with the Brookings Institute.

    “The forces of defeat had more to do with timing, referendum language, demographics, and other ballot initiatives than it did with public opinion on the issue,” Hudak wrote in an instant analysis of the measure’s defeat.

    Hudak added that ResponsibleOhio was “never able to consolidate the marijuana reform community inside or outside Ohio, and the ballot measure’s fate was dramatically affected by it.”

    In a statement after the vote, Tom Angell of the pro-legalization group the Marijuana Majority called Issue 3 a “flawed measure” that “didn’t represent what voters wanted."

    “Tonight’s results — and the choices that inevitably led up to them — are especially sad for Ohioans who use marijuana and will continue to be treated like criminals for no good reason,” Angell wrote.

    On Twitter, Angell also scolded the measure’s backers using the hashtag #HowNotToLegalizeMarijuana. In another tweet, he said, “You idiots.”

    Issue 3 also aimed to establish a marijuana control commission to regulate growth, distribution and sales in the state.

    The measure would have imposed a 15% tax on gross revenues of growing operations and a 5% tax on gross revenues of retail marijuana stores, plus annual licensing fees.

    Fifty-five percent of the taxes would have been distributed to cities and townships and 30% to counties for infrastructure and public safety purposes. The remaining 15% would have gone to the marijuana commission.

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    I get the greedy cartel thing but it was still better than nothing
     
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    65-35 is a pretty good margin, but it wasn't that long ago we were voting down gay marriage by similar margins, and then polls a decade later showed a slight edge for gay marriage. Legalization is really about turning 2 out of every 10 who voted against. I don't think that will be all that tough down the line as boomers die off.
     
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    I'm just waiting on the

    "I'm a Libertarian but I am against weed" Comments :jj:
     
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    Worst Generation that has ever walked this planet, by far.

     
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    Not really. Once you start down that road, the greedy cartel thing is hard to undo. Nothing less than free enterprise legalization should be accepted. Sounds like this cartel backed the initiative. The competing group should work on getting their proposal on the next ballot.
     
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    They were the first bad parents. Their kids were in turn bad parents, and if millennials are any indication, their grandchildren were even worse.
     
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    We dont even have medical :jj:
     
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    Why is everyone who opposes anything "afraid" of it? i.e. "Homophobia". Total bullshit. Weed is for losers and a lot of people just don't want to support a nation of losers.
     
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    I knew you were against it, you didnt need to post. You are about as much fun as a third degree burn.
     
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    Apple the cat Moral conscience of the Shed

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    Seems like a poorly written law. Should have opened up the manufacture to any licensed grower, not just these "cartel" members. I have a SIL in Ohio with MS and fibromyalgia- she could really have been helped with medical marijuana.
     
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    Don't you mean I am "afraid" of it? :p
     
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    "Support?" How is legalization supporting anything? Are you also for prohibition of alcohol? Tobacco?
     
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    "Opponents alleged that Issue 3 would have effectively set up a monopoly by limiting commercial marijuana growth to 10 preselected plots of land owned by the entrepreneurs behind the measure."

    For real? What the fuck???

    What assholes.

    Why don't they just write a new law "Prostitution is legal, but you can only fuck my hoes"
     
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    Give the plant back to humanity. No one even thought about it for thousands of years until a greedy man decided to wage a propaganda war against it to make more money. Cant have people using natural hemp for anything now can we? Then you throw in the private prison franchise and it sealed the deal. The fact is people are still brainwashed.
     
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    I personally don't believe in medical. The science just isn't there. I think medical is just a workaround for legalization, which I believe in.
     
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    Apple the cat Moral conscience of the Shed

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    I DO believe in medical, as I've seen it work wonders, especially in the case of arthritis and sleep disorders. I'll agree though that many people are using it as a run around.
     
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    Private prison owners financially back judges most willing to jail people over drugs. :grad: It's disgusting that private prisons even exist, but even more disgusting that they can now spend unlimited funds backing judges that will support their business.
     
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    This is the propaganda your grandparents were fed and passed down to you :jj:

     
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    It also has proven effective in helping people with no appetite. My dad had cancer and wouldn't eat. Marinol was prescribed. It helped a little but not enough. Then they gave him some hormone that did a much better job.
     
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