OK WTF Seriously? Chevron Granted Access to Activists' Private Internet Data

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  1. chapped

    chapped Well-Known Member

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    The wheels have officially come off the wagon mother fuckers....

    If this was a a little league game they would have to call the Mercy Rule ...Corporations have not only beat our right's ass they are now running up the score...:facepalm:


    "Sweeping" subpoena violates rights of those who spoke out against oil giant's devastating actions in Ecuador

    - Lauren McCauley, staff writer

    The US government is not the only entity who, with judicial approval, is amassing massive amounts of personal information against their so-called enemies.
    A federal judge has ruled to allow Chevron, through a subpoena to Microsoft, to collect the IP usage records and identity information for email accounts owned by over 100 environmental activists, journalists and attorneys.
    The oil giant is demanding the records in an attempt to cull together a lawsuit which alleges that the company was the victim of a conspiracy in the $18.2 billion judgment against it fordumping 18.5 billion gallons of oil waste in the Ecuadorean Amazon, causing untold damage to the rainforest.
    The "sweeping" subpoena was one of three issued to Google, Yahoo! and Microsoft.

     
  2. Vashier

    Vashier VIP Extreme Gold

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    A list of these "Judges" need to be compiled and posted who are obviously getting payoffs from lobbyists.
     
  3. baby booie

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    They're victims of a conspiracy???????? What total assholes!
     
  4. newcastlefan

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    now i understand why companies have been instituting email retention policies that require no longer than 60 day retention: the NSA and apparently anyone willing to buy a federal court judge can get a court order to examine the archives. apparently Microsoft just bends over when the court asks to anally rape citizens. if you have no archives there is nothing to turn over.
     
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    everytime I think they can't sink any lower, they go and surprise me. We all need to stop point fingers and being brainwashed by the shit both sides spew out and realize its one big racket. They're all in it, its organized crime.
     
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    Got a URL for the story? Please?
     
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    chapped Well-Known Member

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    IlluminatiJones New Member

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    This is just the tip of the iceberg. All this suppression, harassment, and imprisonment of whistle-blowers and activists is leading up to something far, far sinister.

    Within 20 years, those activists will probably be working in Chevron's forced labor camps............or as the media will call them: "happy fun zones".
     
  9. SouthernListen

    SouthernListen I don't follow the crowd. Sorry about that. VIP

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    Devil's advocate. If they're suing someone for damaging their reputation, etc, don't they have to find out who is doing it first? I'm sure this is done all the time in cases involving libel.

    It's pretty routine for courts to order providers to give out account info on people who harass, libel, or damage, etc via email accounts or the internet. Now, if the corporation uses it to kill the people, harm them, harass them, etc, then that's a crime and should be dealt with as such. But say it was a small pizza parlor instead of a huge corporation, so as to take the anti-corporation emotion out of it. Someone is on the web claiming that their sausage is made from human fetuses and the sauce from puppy blood. And the Pepsis are half-spit. Should not they have the ability to identify the persons so that they can serve them with a lawsuit and argue their case in court? As for the actual veracity of any claims, that's what the court system is for.

    And while oil companies certainly do environmental damage, doesn't it strike you as odd that they'd want to file a lawsuit for TRUE accusations, which would only serve to draw attention to the wrongdoing. Unless they could be wanting to slap-suit the individuals and bankrupt them with legal bills forcing them to defend themselves, but that is a problem with the nature of our legal system (no loser pays) in contrast to a judge ordering individuals on the internet to be identified. The disclosure of their private information is a judgement call. Is the judge corrupt every time a decision doesn't go your way, but honest when it does? It seems to me that if you are an "activist" making serious claims about a corporation, at the very least you should be able to tolerate your name and other pertinent information being known. You know where to find the corporation.

    Here's $20...keep it fair, keep it fair.
     
  10. Turtle Man

    Turtle Man Hello Darling Gold

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    Everyone's Internet usage will soon be public... So easy on the fat chick porn guys
     
  11. hey later

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    More and more info is coming out about this stuff. Here's more on the microsoft and NSA collaboration.

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07...ation-with-nsa-surveillance-programs-detailed
    UPDATE: Microsoft has issued a statement regarding its privacy practices and collaboration with intelligence agencies. Read it in its entirety below.


    Original Story
    Microsoft's participation in the NSA's surveillance programs may be more extensive than previously thought. New documents from whistleblower Edward Snowden obtained by The Guardian claim that Microsoft has worked with US intelligence agencies to provide streamlined access to its services, including Outlook.com, Hotmail, Skype, SkyDrive, and more. Over the last three years, Microsoft has reportedly assisted the FBI and NSA in encryption bypassing its products' encryption that would otherwise prevent the interception of web chats, emails, and user data. Most notably, the company allowed the agencies to collect video and audio from conversations made through Skype, which it acquired in 2011.
    Although Xbox products and services were not mentioned, it stands to reason that Microsoft's gaming business would not be immune to government intelligence requests.
    Microsoft, along with other tech giants like Google and Apple, were implicated last month when the NSA's PRISM surveillance and data collection program was first revealed. Microsoft denied having any prior knowledge of the program. The company has, however, acknowledged that it provides user data on per-request basis, as required by law. It refutes providing any open-ended access to its servers or user data.
    While the report doesn't completely disprove Microsoft's previous public statements, it does reveal the lengths it has gone to to adhere to the government's domestic and international surveillance efforts. For a more detailed account of Microsoft's alleged intelligence collaboration, check out The Guardian.
    UPDATE: Microsoft has issued a statement regarding today's report from The Guardian:
    We have clear principles which guide the response across our entire company to government demands for customer information for both law enforcement and national security issues.
    First, we take our commitments to our customers and to compliance with applicable law very seriously, so we provide customer data only in response to legal processes. Second, our compliance team examines all demands very closely, and we reject them if we believe they aren’t valid. Third, we only ever comply with orders about specific accounts or identifiers, and we would not respond to the kind of blanket orders discussed in the press over the past few weeks, as the volumes documented in our most recent disclosure clearly illustrate. To be clear, Microsoft does not provide any government with blanket or direct access to SkyDrive, Outlook.com, Skype or any Microsoft product.
    Finally when we upgrade or update products legal obligations may in some circumstances require that we maintain the ability to provide information in response to a law enforcement or national security request. There are aspects of this debate that we wish we were able to discuss more freely. That’s why we’ve argued for additional transparency that would help everyone understand and debate these important issues.


     
  12. IlluminatiJones

    IlluminatiJones New Member

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    Like Rock Hudson suing the tabloids for insinuating he was gay?!?

    :uscratch:

    You are the Dominic Barbara of devils' advocates.

    [​IMG]
     
  13. The Snork

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    Yeah , nothing on the internet is private.
     
  14. chapped

    chapped Well-Known Member

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    or when lance armstrong sued his accusers.... its real easy to ruin someone financially when you are worth BILLIONS ANS BILLIONS..

    shit you don't have to be right just keep appealing it until the person is ruined for life
     
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    ooo, good one!

    exactly

    might will make it right

    winter is most definitely coming
     
  16. chapped

    chapped Well-Known Member

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    the funny thing is that Chevron is not saying that they
    DIDN'T dump oil products into the Amazon .. they are saying
    they were the victims of a conspiracy ...so they want to sue
     
  17. SouthernListen

    SouthernListen I don't follow the crowd. Sorry about that. VIP

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    And you're the master of similes, boy that one was clever.

    Yep, fffRock discreetly blowing pool boys in his room privately vs denying the existence of thousands of acres of bespoiled wetlands is EXACTLY the same thing. Like I said, if the activists are right about it the suit could be about harrassing them, but could ultimately backfire. But in our current legal system (you know, the one judges are sworn to uphold) you don't get to deny someone their day in court because of your prejudices against them. Judges don't look at press reports and hand down verdicts. "I find that uh, some guy who won't divulge his name or address went there and said it happened, so big oil company, I find for the defendants for Fifty billion dollars".


    Btw, anyone can dip a hand in oil. That proves nothing. You seem to have a big problem making subtle logical distinctions such as oh, I dunno, that activist reports don't replace trials at law. If it's true, someone will probably wind up suing the oil companies. If it's corrupt there, then they get away with it. But that's on Brazil, not this judge. If it's a small spill blown up for propaganda reasons, nothing will come of it and anyone making exaggerated claims might just pay a price.

    I'd say grow up, but you're probably some aging ex hippie who can't stand that life is full of realities. One of which is that getting oil out of the ground is dirty, and that in other poorer countries they don't really care much about that as long as they can eat and sleep in a home because of it, rather than living in a miserable Favela. Stupid fuckers aren't as smart as you. They just want a decent life more than a pristine swamp.

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  18. IlluminatiJones

    IlluminatiJones New Member

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    I know.

    But what, exactly, is the conspiracy they're claiming? That a bunch of people got together, pointed a finger at them, and just happened to be right?!? But the way they were right was...............wrong?!?

    :uscratch:

    Chevron's crime is a really, really, REALLY FUCKING EASY thing to prove/disprove.

    Are there BILLIONS of gallons of sludge in the Ecuadorian Amazon or aren't there?!?

    If so, there's only one fucking possible way it got there, and it ain't in the back-packs of hippie Greenpeace warriors out to frame a poor, defenseless, multi-billion-dollar oil company.

    Why isn't every point beyond this basic fact moot?!?

    :uscratch:

    :mad:
     
  19. chapped

    chapped Well-Known Member

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    because they can work the legal system like a Boxer uses a standing eght count..

    plus if they sue these activist into ruin why would anyone in the future risk the financial lives of their family over an oil company?

    much like Vlad the Impaler you make examples of your enemies
     
  20. Bosch76

    Bosch76 2016 Politics POTY Gold

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    Because Chevron sold all rights and liabilities to the oil fields right before they left to a South American company to avoid liability.