News Pro or Con? Police Using Robots to Kill Suspects

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  1. kinneyjames

    kinneyjames Well-Known Member

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    The Police used a robot to blow up the Dallas terrorist/sniper. Let that sink in.
    The future is here - and it is scary, maybe?


    What does ‘objectively reasonable’ lethal robotic force look like?”

    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...ign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20160708

    After sniper fire struck 12 police officers at a rally in downtown Dallas, killing five, police cornered a single suspect in a parking garage. After a prolonged exchange of gunfire and a five-hour-long standoff, police made what experts say was an unprecedented decision: to send in a police robot, jury-rigged with a bomb.

    "We saw no other option but to use our bomb robot and place a device on its extension for it to detonate where the suspect was," Dallas Police Chief David Brown told a news conference Friday. "Other options would have exposed our officers to grave danger. The suspect is deceased as a result of detonating the bomb."


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    At a Friday evening press conference, Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings revealed that police used a common plastic explosive known as C4.

    "The same automated robot equipment used to defuse bombs was used to place C4 in place and to detonate that," Rawlings said.

    "This was a man that we gave plenty of options to to give himself up peacefully and we spent a lot of time talking. He had a choice to come out and we would not harm, or stay in and we would. He picked the latter."


    -more at link-

    Bill Bratton seems to like the idea...

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDailyNewsTw

    New York Police Commissioner Bill Bratton praised the lethal use of the robot and said the NYPD has the same technology.

    “We have the capability. In light of what Dallas was facing, I am in full support of that,” Bratton said Friday. “This was an individual that killed five police officers. Why put more officer's lives at risk? So God Bless them!” the top cop said.

    -more at link-

    China has a Police robot:

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    http://www.popsci.com/china-debuts-anbot-police-robot

    The 1.5 meter tall, 78 kg Anbot looks like a cross between Star Wars' R2D2 and Doctor Who's Daleks, with a touchscreen on top. It has enough battery power for 8 hours of operations, autonomous navigation and intelligent video analysis, and can reach speeds of 18 kmh to chase down fleeing criminals or respond to emergencies. The Anbot can also rush over to the scene if a bystander cries for help, and it can even recharge itself without human intervention (bad news in the event of a robot uprising). NDU promises that in addition to standard police patrolling, the Anbot can undertake riot control, by remotely firing its electroshock weapons (or by running over unruly protesters).

    Anbot's most controversial feature is naturally the onboard "electrically charged riot control tool" (likely a Taser or extendable cattle prod). This can only be fired by the Anbot's human remote operators (it seems that just like the U.S. military, Chinese policemen do not yet feel comfortable giving armed robots the autonomous capability to fire their weapons). The Anbot's large size means that it has room to mount other law enforcement gear, like tear gas canisters and other less lethal weaponry.


    The U.S. Military has used the tactic in recent wars:

    Peter Singer, author of Wired for War: The Robotics Revolution and Conflict in the 21st Century, has studied technology and war since the mid-2000s. He says U.S. soldiers in Iraq have used similar robots to deliver explosives, arming them by duct-taping bombs to the device.

    "This would be, to my awareness, the first time that we've seen police use a robotic system in this way," Singer told NPR.

    How many more robots are there in the U.S.?

    http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/map-of-us-police-robots

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    The robots (and more) are thanks to the Department of Defense's 1033 program, which rehomes used or surplus military equipment within civilian law enforcement agencies. The 1033 program has drawn public scrutiny before, particularly in the aftermath of the 2014 Ferguson protests. (It's worth noting that source of the Dallas Police Department's robot is a bit murky; the department itself isn't listed on the map, so it might have obtained its bot from somewhere besides the U.S. military.)

    The military has contracted with Northrup Grumman to provide bomb-disposal robots, under a using a “indefinite-delivery, indefinite-quantity” agreement. When used by police departments, these robots have been used to confirm the deaths of suspects, but also to deliver pizza to a suicidal man. In one case, in New Mexico in 2014, the Albuquerque Police Department’s “bomb squad” used a robot to send “chemical munitions” during a stand-off with a man who had locked himself in motel room with a gun. That action, the APD reported, “led to the subject’s surrender.”

    -more including Robot map at link-
     
  2. Wangold

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    All for it. :coffee:
     
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    At least the robot killed a guy guilty of something.
     
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    This?
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    Or this?
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    Pro
     
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    Robots are racist.
     
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    I dont get why this is even a question. Not blaming op. I saw it on the news earlier.

    Same cry babies that talk about police militarization.
     
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    If there's sufficient evidence of exigent circumstances, using a robot is no better or worse than using any other weapon.
     
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    #robotlivesmatter
     
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    I hope the robot survived. I want to buy it a beer.
     
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    It's ok to shoot and kill him with a gun but not kill him with a bomb?
     
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    I'm for it. blow them up
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    But a robot with a bomb? Since when does the U.S. use bombs to blow up criminals? We can barely execute death row convicts because there's not enough poison. But we're blowing people up now?

    The last police-led 'bombing' I can remember the Philly police dropping devices on the MOVE headquarters years ago. And look how that turned out:

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    By the time it was extinguished four hours later, 61 houses had been razed. Apart from a woman and 13-year-old boy who escaped when the fire started, everyone in the MOVE house was dead.

    http://mashable.com/2016/01/10/1985-move-bombing/#ANATbf_MSkqY
     
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    What about armed robot tax collectors?
     
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    Yes. That's correct.

    I don't trust my local officials enough to arm them with explosives.
     
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    Bombs have different capacities. A bomb that's sufficient to take out a clear and present danger without incurring collateral damage is no worse than a shooting that does the same. A bomb that indiscriminately kills civilians is excessive force and should be treated as such.
     
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