Quebec train crash may be act of sabotage

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  1. zhukov

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    Lac-Megantic, Quebec (CNN) -- Canadian authorities have found evidence that a train that crashed in Lac-Megantic, Quebec, was tampered with, provincial police Capt. Michel Forget said Tuesday.
    There have been many questions about the train explosion that wiped out a swath of Lac-Megantic's downtown, killing at least 15 people. As of Tuesday evening, 35 people were still missing, Forget said.
    Investigators had earlier said that they are trying to figure out if the train's brakes were disabled before it barreled at a dangerous speed into the Quebec town, derailed and burst into a deadly inferno.
    Firefighters in the nearby town of Nantes put out a separate blaze on the train shortly before it crashed into Lac-Megantic early Saturday. Ed Burkhardt, chief executive officer and president of Rail World, the parent company of the Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway, has told media outlets there's evidence the engine powering the brakes was shut down at some point.
    Pressed to elaborate by CTV, Burkhardt wrote Tuesday in an e-mail exchange, "We are now aware the firefighters shut down the locomotive. By the time (Montreal, Maine & Atlantic) people found out, it was too late."
    In earlier comments to the Montreal Gazette, he said the matter needs further investigation, and his company has begun an internal inFuiry.
     
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    [​IMG]See massive fire after train derailment
    "There are a number of missing pieces here," Burkhardt told the paper, saying he didn't suspect "the event was malicious or an act of terrorism."
    The company did not immediately return phone calls from CNN about the report.
    Asked during an earlier news conference if authorities suspected sabotage, Ed Belkaloul, manager of rail operations for Canada's Transportation Safety Board's eastern region, said there was no evidence to that effect.
    The train began rolling -- unbeknownst to dispatchers and rail traffic controllers -- about an hour after the fire in Nantes was reported. It picked up speed because the track between Nantes and Lac-Megantic lies on a 1.2% downward slope, which Belkaloul said is relatively steep.
    "On the principle lines, as soon as there is an uncontrolled movement, the controllers of rail traffic can see that there is an uncontrolled movement," Belkaloul said. But on smaller lines like the one between Nantes and Lac-Megantic, "there is no way for the dispatcher or the controller to realize that there is an uncontrolled movement."
    Seventy-two tanker cars carrying crude oil jumped the track early Saturday, setting off a huge fireball.
    Officials in the town 130 miles east of Montreal say some victims were likely vaporized by the intense blaze, which burned for 36 hours after the crash.
    The fire is under control, authorities said Tuesday morning. Of the roughly 2,000 residents evacuated, about 1,200 will be permitted to return home immediately. Another 800 cannot go back yet, the officials said.
    Notices were placed on doors instructing residents how to clean and air out their homes. Officials suggested throwing out any food and boiling all water because the city's water treatment plant is not operational.
    Firefighters are now using infrared detectors to find any remaining hot spots in the wreckage. They've stopped hosing down the area because it was inhibiting the investigation, officials said.
     
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    i thought it was incompetence; the firemen had the engineer turn off the train to put out a different fire, and without the engine on, the airbrakes failed.
     
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    The train had already been on fire hours before the Saturday accident, Canadian broadcaster CBC reported, sourcing fire officials. Firefighters in the town of Nantes, 7 miles northwest of Lac-Megantic, extinguished a small blaze on the freight train.
    When they left, the train was still parked where it was supposed to stay for the night, the Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway said.
    Earlier, the company said air brakes holding the train in place failed, allowing it to barrel downhill into Lac-Megantic. It was not clear if Rail World executive Burkhardt was suggesting to CTV that firefighters were responsible for disabling the brakes, but he told Reuters earlier that the brakes were disabled when firefighters shut down the engine powering them.
    Investigators plan to check the brakes once the crumpled, burned tankers are accessible.
    The train rolled into town much faster than a train under an engineer's control would have.
    "Usually they're traveling between 5 and 10 miles an hour," said Quebec police officer Benoit Richard. "On that night, this train was going at least between 30 and 40 miles an hour."
    Sonia Pepin recalls hearing the train like never before. The tracks are a few feet from her home, and her whole house shook, she said.
    Investigators with the Transportation Safety Board of Canada found the locomotive event recorder, which they can analyze for information on throttle position and speed, among other data.
     
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    is there still a Quebec Separatist Movement?
     
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    Popular Quebec performer missing
    The runaway train rumbled toward Lac-Megantic while patrons at the Musi-Cafe were enjoying a summer night of live music. Some were sitting on the pub's front porch.
    The Musi-Cafe is no longer standing, one of an estimated 40 buildings leveled in the crash and explosions. Some of its patrons have been counted among the 13 confirmed dead.
    "We know that there will be many more," said police Lt. Michel Brunet.
    Authorities believe some of those still missing were in the pub at the time of the accident. Quebecois musician Guy Bolduc had been performing there.
    The pub's Facebook page is filling up with messages of condolence, as has a page created for the victims of the disaster. Bolduc's fans are searching for him on social media.
    "All of his fans, all over Quebec, but also his fellow singers (of whom I am one) hope to see him again alive!!! Come on my GuyBol, come out of your hiding place," one member wrote.
     
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    What in the fuck is this shit?

    Do you think I'm going to read a shitty ass thread that starts out like this one? Fucking A, you might as well cut and paste a chinese phone book.

    :dave:
     
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    One other thing...

    It's Canada, who gives a fuck.

    Shit, I think that is the part of Canada where they speak French. Double who gives a fuck.

    :dave:
     
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    sabo tadj

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    Shatner is from Quebec :grad:
     
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    zhukov Time traveler Gold

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    The only reason it's a shitty assed thread is...

    you're here :coffee:
     
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    Daveindiego Confirmed Internet Legend Gold

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    Really?

    You should be kissing my pimply yellow ass for making your thread somewhat interesting.

    i can certainly take my talents elsewhere. :fil:
     
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    zhukov Time traveler Gold

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    no no no

    please stay

    P.S. why is your ass yellow? jaundice?
     
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    I heard a werewolf ran out on the tracks causing the derailment.

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    I'm 44 years old, and it's my ass. :dontknow:
     
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