WTF Question about the whole glove fiasco at the end of OJ....

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  1. Snort

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    So.... (spoiler alert :jj: ) at the end of the last episode, they show the glove fiasco, but an angle I didn't know was how it was introduced.

    The Defense knows the glove is too small, but they want to have the Prosecution call for the demonstration.

    So their strategy is to tell Chris Darden he has no balls and that if he won't ask for a demonstration, they will aak for it themselves.

    This makes Chris ask for the demonstration that showed the gloves were too small.

    My question is, if the D was going to ask for it themselves, wouldn't this be a tip off that they knew there'd be a problem with them?

    Why the Fuck would they ask for it themselves if the demonstration was going to show the gloves fit like a charm?

    The only way it makes sense is if they knew they wouldn't fit. Unless I'm missing something here?
     
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    court is a show. never ask a question unless you know what the answer will be. Gambling on that bullshit glove stunt is one of the biggest blunders in history.

    [​IMG] this is the biggest. 1985

    but OJ got his, and that makes me smile.
    [​IMG] :sarcastic:
     
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    We already have a thread on this
     
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    "I pleads da fith!"
     
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    Clark did not want OJ trying on the gloves. Too many unknown intangibles. Darden went against her and took a huge risk and it backfired. It probably cost them the case, as crazy as that sounds.

    Clark wanted to kill Darden. You can see it in her eyes. She was beyond shocked after telling him no...


     
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    I never thought they looked too small

    My murder gloves fit a little snug as well
     
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    I once spliced gasoline on a leather glove. It shrunk so much I had to throw it out. Taking a chance I with that glove was just stupid.
     
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    1. Leather shrinks when soaked in blood (or other liquids).
    2. Because of the chain of custody they had OJ wearing rubber gloves under the leather ones, meaning the gloves had to fit over both his "normal" hand and the rubber glove.
    3. OJ was an actor (see, eg, Naked Gun and Hertz commercials). Not a great actor but still an actor. Certainly competent enough an actor to fake struggling with an already tight glove.

    If you want to read a good (nonfiction) book by a top flight prosecutor on how badly the prosecution bungled this case from day one check out this book. http://www.amazon.com/Outrage-Five-Reasons-Simpson-Murder/dp/0393330834
     
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    I thought Darden was gonna smash that white lady at the hotel...:nojj:
     
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    Exactly...they had all these fucking experts and nobody knew about this??? Pathetic.
     
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    And Nicole bought him those gloves too. :jj:
     
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    [​IMG]
     
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    "Expert: Simpson's gloves match evidence
    September 12, 1995

    From Correspondent Anne McDermott

    LOS ANGELES (CNN) -- Gloves O.J. Simpson wore in a photograph are the same model as gloves found at the murder scene and behind his house, glove expert Richard Rubin testified Tuesday.

    Rubin, who was called back to the stand for the prosecution's rebuttal case, said he was 100 percent positive the gloves are the same unique model.

    The jury has already heard testimony that Simpson's ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson bought two pairs of the unusual gloves in December, 1990, three-and-a-half years before she was murdered.

    Earlier in the trial, Rubin testified the brown gloves found at the crime scene and at Simpson's house were Aris Isotoner Lights, size extra-large. He said only about 200 pairs were sold that year by Bloomingdale's department store.
    In front of the jury, Rubin analyzed videotape and photos that showed Simpson wearing brown gloves. Rubin said he recognized four characteristics of the gloves: a palm vent, stitching, the hem and "points." He said he was unable to see the lining, another characteristic that could identify the gloves.

    Rubin, who said he has worked with gloves for 15 years, said it was not hard for him to recognize the model.

    He also said the gloves on the video appeared to have been absorbing water. Simpson was broadcasting a football game in the rain at the time. In June, Simpson struggled to try on the gloves in court and told the jury they didn't fit. The prosecution contended that he was either faking or the gloves had shrunk.

    Rubin looked at several different photos of Simpson wearing the gloves between 1991 and 1994. In each case, Rubin said the characteristics were the same as the gloves found at the murder scene and at Simpson's house following the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman in June 1994.
    Rubin said a black pair of gloves Simpson was photographed wearing were also rare Aris Isotoner Lights.

    Prosecutor Christopher Darden showed Rubin a receipt from Nicole Brown Simpson that indicated she bought two pairs of the gloves in December 1990.
    When shown the murder scene gloves, Rubin again said they appeared to be the same Aris Light model. He said a new pair of extra-large gloves would fit Simpson. Rubin had measured Simpson's hand when he previously testified.


    A defense effort to prevent the prosecution's use of new DNA evidence in their rebuttal case is under review by Judge Lance Ito.

    The blood samples in question were taken from Simpson's Bronco. Prosecutors say they include DNA from Simpson and murder victim Goldman.

    Simpson lawyer Barry Scheck argued outside the presence of the jury that prosecutors purposefully delayed the DNA testing for more than a month after Ito approved it March 22. Scheck said they were "sandbagging," hoping to use the evidence late in the trial so it would seem to have more weight with the jury.

    "There can be no question about it," Scheck said Tuesday. "It was in bad faith, and it is arrogant."

    Gary Sims, the California State Crime Lab expert who performed the tests, said he waited until April 25 before he began planning the tests. He started the actual testing on June 7.

    Deputy District Attorney Brian Kelberg denied the delay was part of prosecution strategy. He said it was due to Kelberg's workload and the great care he took in doing his job.

    Scheck said the results should have been included in the state's direct case. He said they were not rebuttal material, since there was nothing in the defense presentation to which they would be directly related.

    Ito said he would rule on the DNA evidence after reviewing earlier testimony and exhibits."

    http://edition.cnn.com/US/OJ/daily/9-12/6pm/
     
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    The defense knew they didn't fit because Travolta tried the same kind of pair on. It's better for them that the moron on the prosecution have them do it, but they would have done it themselves.
     
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    I get that....but my point is the defense wouldn't ask for it if they didn't know they wouldn't fit. So why didn't Darden figure that out?

    They first say they'll ask. Then Johnny pretends he'll object to it. That right there doesn't make sense. Why woukd one say we'll ask for it and another say we'll object to that?
     
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    So did she.
     
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    He didn't think they wouldn't fit after all OJ wore them to kill 2 people.