Reading & learning more about ISIS/ISIL

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  1. MrPACS

    MrPACS Well-Known Member

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    I never realized that their End Game is the Apocalypse. This isn't going to go down easily or quickly. I don't want to turn this into a USA political thread.....please. It's really an us against them thread. The Free World against these psycho-fucktards. The 2nd article I posted at the bottom from The Atlantic is super informative.

    Why does ISIS keep making enemies?


    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/16/opinion/bergen-isis-enemies/index.html

    (CNN)Whenever ISIS carries out a new atrocity, whether it's beheading a group of Egyptian Christians or enslaving Yazidi women in Iraq or burning its victims alive, the big question most people have is: Why on Earth is ISIS doing this? What could possibly be the point?

    Adding to your list of enemies is never a sound strategy, yet ISIS' ferocious campaign against the Shia, Kurds, Yazidis, Christians, and Muslims who don't precisely share its views has united every ethnic and religious group in Syria and Iraq against them.

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    Peter Bergen
    ISIS is even at war with its most natural ally, al Qaeda in Syria.

    The Nazis and the Khmer Rouge went to great lengths to hide their crimes against humanity. Instead, ISIS posts its many crimes on social media for global distribution with seemingly no thoughts for the consequences.

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    Is ISIS in control of affiliates in Libya and Syria? 02:07
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    ISIS' beheading of the American journalist James Foley in mid-August galvanized much of the Western world against the group and led to an intensified U.S.-led air campaign against ISIS, which, according to U.S. military officials, has killed at least 6,000 of its fighters.

    The burning to death by ISIS of the Jordanian pilot, Muath al-Kaseasbeh, galvanized much of the Arab world against the group and has brought Jordan into the U.S.-led campaign against ISIS in a much more aggressive manner.

    The beheading of 21 Egyptian Coptic Christians in Libya by an ISIS affiliate led Egypt's air force on Monday to drop bombs on ISIS positions in eastern Libya.

    Former CIA director Robert Gates is reported to have kept a maxim on his desk that read, "As a general rule, the way to achieve complete strategic surprise is to commit an act that makes no sense or is even self-destructive."

    ISIS keeps surprising the world and its actions do indeed seem to make no sense or are self-destructive.

    So what is going on here?

    A key window into understanding ISIS is its English language "in-flight magazine" Dabiq. Last week the seventh issue of Dabiq was released, and a close reading of it helps explains ISIS' world view.

    The mistake some make when viewing ISIS is to see it as a rational actor. Instead, as the magazine documents, its ideology is that of an apocalyptic cult that believes that we are living in the end times and that ISIS' actions are hastening the moment when this will happen.

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    The name of the Dabiq magazine itself helps us understand ISIS' worldview. The Syrian town of Dabiq is where the Prophet Mohammed is supposed to have predicted that the armies of Islam and "Rome" would meet for the final battle that will precede the end of time and the triumph of true Islam.

    In the recent issue of Dabiq it states: "As the world progresses towards al-Malhamah al-Kubrā, ('the Great Battle' to be held at Dabiq) the option to stand on the sidelines as a mere observer is being lost." In other words, in its logic, you are either on the side of ISIS or you are on the side of the Crusaders and infidels.

    When American aid worker Peter Kassig was murdered by ISIS in November, "Jihadi John" -- the masked British murderer who has appeared in so many ISIS videos -- said of Kassig: "We bury the first crusader in Dabiq, eagerly waiting for the rest of your armies to arrive."

    In other words, ISIS wants a Western ground force to invade Syria, as that will confirm the prophecy about Dabiq.

    We live in an increasingly secularized world, so it's sometimes difficult to take seriously the deeply held religious beliefs of others. For many of us the idea that the end of times will come with a battle between "Rome" and Islam at the obscure Syrian town of Dabiq is as absurd as the belief that the Mayans had that their human sacrifices could influence future events.

    But for ISIS, the Dabiq prophecy is deadly serious. Members of ISIS believe that they are the vanguard fighting a religious war, which Allah has determined will be won by the forces of true Islam.

    This is the conclusion of an important forthcoming new book about ISIS by terrorism experts J.M. Berger and Jessica Stern who write that ISIS, like many other "violent apocalyptic groups, tend to see themselves as participating in a cosmic war between good and evil, in which moral rules do not apply."




    What ISIS Really Wants
    The Islamic State is no mere collection of psychopaths. It is a religious group with carefully considered beliefs, among them that it is a key agent of the coming apocalypse. Here’s what that means for its strategy—and for how to stop it.


    (Article is much too long for me to post in it's entirety)

    http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

    hat is the Islamic State?
    Where did it come from, and what are its intentions? The simplicity of these questions can be deceiving, and few Western leaders seem to know the answers. In December, The New York Times published confidential comments by Major General Michael K. Nagata, the Special Operations commander for the United States in the Middle East, admitting that he had hardly begun figuring out the Islamic State’s appeal. “We have not defeated the idea,” he said. “We do not even understand the idea.” In the past year, President Obama has referred to the Islamic State, variously, as “not Islamic” and as al-Qaeda’s “jayvee team,” statements that reflected confusion about the group, and may have contributed to significant strategic errors.

    The group seized Mosul, Iraq, last June, and already rules an area larger than the United Kingdom. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has been its leader since May 2010, but until last summer, his most recent known appearance on film was a grainy mug shot from a stay in U.S. captivity at Camp Bucca during the occupation of Iraq. Then, on July 5 of last year, he stepped into the pulpit of the Great Mosque of al-Nuri in Mosul, to deliver a Ramadan sermon as the first caliph in generations—upgrading his resolution from grainy to high-definition, and his position from hunted guerrilla to commander of all Muslims. The inflow of jihadists that followed, from around the world, was unprecedented in its pace and volume, and is continuing.



















    This also similar to the conclusion of an excellent new cover story about ISIS in the Atlantic magazine by Graeme Wood who writes, "Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State (another name for ISIS) adheres to what it calls, in its press and pronouncements, and on its billboards, license plates, stationery, and coins, 'the Prophetic methodology,' which means following the prophecy and example of Muhammad, in punctilious detail. Muslims can reject the Islamic State; nearly all do. But pretending that it isn't actually a religious, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combated, has already led the United States to underestimate it." Amen to that.

    ISIS members devoutly believe that they are fighting in a cosmic war in which they are on the side of good, which allows them to kill anyone they perceive to be standing in their way with no compunction. This is, of course, a serious delusion, but serious it is.
     
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    we obviously know where they are embedded in each of these countries. let's face it, the NSA/TSA/ other spy agencies know when each of us has a bowel movement.
    why not obliterate each and every ISIS/ISIL camp.
    KILL THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Fucking BRING IT ON!!!!!! Here, On the streets....Us Vs. Them.....Bring it over here and lets settle this once and for all!!!!!!
     
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    They effectively declared war on the entire world when they declared a caliphate. They don't care what anyone thinks.
     
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    uummmm I am cool with them over there Cuz I've got shit to do
     
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    these assholes are getting away with their atrocities with barely any repercussions.
    they are laughing at us because we seem impotent.
    it will only make them try more extreme things.
     
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    Death by fire.
     
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    Self-fulfilling prophecy.
     
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    A group of evil men who believe they are fighting a war on the side of good.
     
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    Expect a lot of dead Americans with your strategy. I have no idea how to defeat these fuckers; what do I know, I sell medical software for a living, lol. I just don't want to see a lot of dead America soldiers.



     
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    I HAVE to hope and think that we are plotting our next moves and strategy to battle these bastards.


     
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    and that's what has me honestly terrified.


     
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    Soldiers? Fuck no....2nd Amendmentists......Rednecks, My Northern brethren.....Mexican Brothers..... Gay's and Feminazi's .......
    Anyone that can bear arms......Come here mooslim sharia asswipe and try to install your 9th century tyranny HERE...I double damn dog DARE you to try!!!!
     
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    Your delusional thinking that any "Strategy" Other than "Kill Them All" Applies here......
    The Romans dealt with the Carthaginians the way we need to deal with these new barbarians..........
     
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    JV team
     
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    If Isis is such a threat and their atrocities are so unacceptable to the US then it's probably to bring the draft back.
    Just like the last time this happened back before WWII.
    I'm sure kids will be swarming the recruiting office with fake ID's like after Pearl Harbor.
     
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    I guess you missed this.......
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    It was a good start. Seems to have petered out some.
     
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    Glenn Beck talked about caliphate 6 years ago.
    That was the first time I heard of that word.

    He talked about/predicted Occupy before it happened too.

    :coffee:
     
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    It was a great idea to pull out of Iraq...

    ... Even better of an idea to declare that we would do it before doing it.

    That part of the world is just plain fucked up.

    This is the direct result of all that oil money funneled to the middle east