News Remember the woman that opened fire on shoplifters at Home Depot? Well today she faces charges

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  1. dawg

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    A Michigan woman was charged Tuesday with reckless use of a handgun after firing at a vehicle carrying shoplifters fleeing a Home Depot.

    Instead of a “misguided attempt” to stop the vehicle using her gun, the woman, Tatiana Duva-Rodriguez, 46, of Clarkston, should have tried to take a picture of the license plate, the Oakland County prosecutor said.

    “If this is proven, I find it very disturbing that someone would take out their gun in a busy parking lot and shoot at the tires of a passing car,” said the prosecutor, Jessica R. Cooper. “Once fired, the bullet could have easily ricocheted or fragmented and injured or killed someone else.”

    The episode unfolded last week, the police said, when a man at a Home Depot in Auburn Hills, a suburb of Detroit, loaded a shopping cart with about $1,100 in merchandise, including power tools, a welder and a nail gun. He wheeled the cart past the cash registers and out the door, sprinting through the parking lot to a driver in a waiting sport utility vehicle, where the goods were loaded. The vehicle then sped off.

    A Home Depot employee gave chase, yelling “stop” to no avail. And then another sound rang out: gunfire.

    According to the police, Ms. Duva-Rodriguez, who is licensed to carry a concealed weapon, fired several shots from her handgun at the fleeing S.U.V. While the S.U.V. got away, a 9-millimeter bullet flattened a rear tire. No one was injured, and there was no apparent damage to other cars or property, a police spokeswoman, Lt. Jill McDonnell, said.

    On Tuesday, Ms. Duva-Rodriguez was charged with one count of reckless use, handling or discharge of a firearm. The shoplifting suspects initially escaped, but two men were arrested in the case several days later.

    The Auburn Hills shooting and a similar one in which a man fired at but failed to stop shoplifting suspects this week in a parking lot in Elkhart, Ind., came amid a national debate among gun control advocates and opponents, many of whom support the idea that armed citizens can help deter crimes and mass shootings.

    Although the two parking lot shootings did not halt the shoplifters, advocates of gun ownership have cited examples of armed bystanders thwarting crimes, including violence by gunmen.

    Lieutenant McDonnell said the parking lot at Home Depot in Auburn Hills also served other large stores.

    A video of the suspect in the store released by the police shows the suspect running through the lot, surrounded by parked cars but by few people. It does not show the gunfire.

    “We are grateful that nothing more serious happened as a result of the decision to fire a weapon in a busy parking lot,” the Auburn Hills police chief, Doreen Olko, said in the statement announcing the charge. “We do not encourage bystanders to insert themselves into incidents because of the potential for deadly consequences.”

    Michigan’s state Constitution says a person has the right to keep and bear arms “for the defense of himself and the state.”

    To use a concealed weapon in the state, a licensed holder needs to think that there is an imminent danger of death, great bodily harm or sexual assault, said Rick Ector, who runs Rick’s Firearm Academy of Detroit.

    “This is an aberration,” Mr. Ector said. “Don’t get me wrong. In metro Detroit, there is a lot of crime and there have been numerous cases in which people used firearms lawfully to defend themselves. But this is just a case in which someone who was trained didn’t follow the law.”

    Concealed Nation, a group that advocates responsible and legal concealed carriage of weapons, posted a statement on its website after the Home Depot episode urging its followers to know the law.

    “While he’s running off, your job as a witness is to gather as much information as you can about the suspect, the vehicle and anything else that could help police with their investigation,” the post said.

    Law enforcement officers said they would have held their fire in similar circumstances.

    Donald Dawkins, a public information officer for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives office in Michigan, said officers were required to demonstrate that, when firing their gun, they had been threatened themselves or had seen a suspect as a threat to others. Lieutenant McDonnell said she did not know whether Ms. Duva-Rodriguez had faced any imminent threat.

    Mr. Dawkins mentioned an episode in September in which a gun owner helped to deter a crime. In Warren, Mich., a Detroit suburb, a customer in a bank opened fire to stop an armed robber, hitting him once in the leg and once in each arm. The customer had a concealed-weapons permit.

    “This citizen did have a Second Amendment right,” the mayor of Warren, Jim Fouts, said in a report by The Detroit Free Press. But Mr. Fouts, who said the robber appeared to have threatened the 63-year-old customer, added, “I would caution people against using firearms unless absolutely necessary.”

    On Monday in Elkhart, a man fired at people believed to be shoplifters in a Big R department store parking lot, the police said. The armed shopper, who was licensed to carry a weapon, joined store employees chasing two people who had stolen power tools, and he fired when they got into their car, the police said.

    The suspects escaped. A police spokesman, Sgt. Christopher Snyder, said in a telephone interview that the police were still investigating but that there was a possibility of charges against the armed shopper.

    On the Auburn Hills Police Department’s Facebook page, the video of the Home Depot shoplifter got thousands of views and drew comments supporting and opposing the actions of the woman who opened fire.

    “Why is it O.K. to shoot at a car of a shoplifter?” one person wrote.

    “It should be O.K.,” another replied.

    “Really?” wrote a third. “Letting anyone shoot at people to protect the inanimate consumer goods of a giant corporation is more important than a human life?”

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    I remember your comment about hitting a Hispanic with a bullet at home depot, turns out you were not wrong :jj:
     
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    If she fired a weapon at a person leaving the scene with stolen merchandise she should be prosecuted. Law abiding gun owners and carriers should support that. There's a major responsibility for carrying a gun and she didn't follow the rules.
     
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    That lady is a fucking dope. She deserves whatever punishment she gets.
     
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    Spot on, good post.
     
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    I agree that she is a dope and should be prosecuted but if she had been a better shot then we'd have one less thieving scumbag to deal with as well. :fil:
     
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    Im a CWP holder and I support the charges against her.
    A fleeing thief is not grounds for firing a weapon to stop them.... Even if the thief has taken your own property.
    A gun is only for protecting your life and those of your loved ones.
     
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    The person was leaving the store with about a thousand dollars worth of merchandise. Would you pull the trigger and kill someone running away with it? It's not even legal, but if you did it and got away with it would you feel good about taking someone's life for taking someone else's stuff (a major corporation in this instance)?
     
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    If I woulda known the broad was hispanic I woulda commented on how I was surprised that she didn't try to stab them or run them over with her hopping '64 Impala. :c
     
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    Next time I go to Home Depot, I'm wearing a bulletproof vest and a helmet. What if she forgot something and comes back.
     
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    :wtf:
     
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    I am too, and this is one of the first things they teach you in concealed carry classes. Don't kill the guy running down the street carrying shit they stole from your house. They're not a threat to your life and you will go to jail for this.
     
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    She should not have tried to stop the criminal since people were watching her.
     
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    So this woman thought death was a reasonable punishment for stealing some tools from a giant company that she had no affiliation with.
    Seems reasonable :crazy2:
     
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