Roswell's Unanswered UFO Questions…….

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    Roswell's Unanswered UFO Questions
    Posted: 07/03/2015 3:04 pm EDT Updated: 07/03/2015 3:59 pm EDT
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    Something crashed near Roswell, New Mexico, 68 years ago. The first military authorized press release stated, "RAAF (Roswell Army Air Field) Captures Flying Saucer On Ranch In Roswell Region." That's right, the military was the first to indicate it was a flying saucer.

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    The central figure surrounding the events of the 1947 Roswell UFO issue was Maj. Jesse Marcel, the intelligence officer for the 509th Bomb Group at Roswell Army Air Field. He was assigned the initial task of going out to the debris field to collect some of the material, described as shiny wreckage, including pieces of rubber, super-resistant tinfoil, wooden sticks and metallic-looking I-beams.

    Here's an excerpt from a 35-year-old interview conducted by this writer with Marcel, when he finally felt comfortable talking about the Roswell case more than 30 years after it happened:

    We went out to the scene of where the crash was and started picking up the debris. It's almost indescribable. It's not the kind of material I'd ever seen in my life, nor have I seen it since. There were various types of materials which I couldn't identify. There were little members that looked like they were made of wood, but it wasn't wood and it had some kind of writing or hieroglyphics that I couldn't decipher and nobody else could. It was flexible, but you couldn't break it and you couldn't burn it.

    Also, I found a piece of metal which was about the thickness of the foil in a pack of cigarettes. But the amazing part about it was you could put it on the ground, hit it with a sledge hammer and you couldn't even put a dent in it. That astounded me and I knew it was nothing from here. I was convinced it was not from anywhere on Earth and I'm still convinced of that.

    I had brought a counterintelligence man with me in a staff car plus a pickup truck. We got everything we could into that and I sent the agent back to the base. Then I filled up my car with stuff. By the time I got back home, my wife said, 'What happened to you? There's been a bunch of news reporters out here, wanting a picture of you.' And I said, 'For what?' And there had been a public relations officer with them. He said, 'From what happened, your husband will be very popular by tomorrow morning.' So that's how it all started.

    What amazed me most of all was the weightlessness of all this material -- it weighed nothing. I found one piece of metal -- supposedly metal -- which was about a foot wide and about two-and-a-half feet long. When I got back to the base, we [Marcel and several enlisted men] brought it all into a briefing room and set up a whole lot of tables there. One of the men said, 'Let me see if I can put some of those parts together, to see what the thing might have looked like.' He came back later and said [he tried but couldn't do it].

    I consulted my CO [commanding officer], who said, 'You better fly the thing to Wright-Patterson Air Field [Ohio]. So, we loaded up the whole thing -- which was not a whole lot of material -- onto a B-29. We had only picked up one small fraction of what was out there. It was scattered over such an area about three-quarters of a mile long and several hundred feet wide. We'd been there all day, picking up the fragments.

    I asked my CO if it was a better idea to stop at Carswell [Air Force Base] at Fort Worth and consult General Ramey and he said, 'Yes, you better do that.' When I got to Fort Worth, I talked it over with the general, and he told me, 'Don't open your mouth to the press. Put some stuff on the floor and let them take a picture of it.' But I was careful not to put out anything with detail on it. So they took pictures, and one picture appeared in the papers. (See image below)

    Gen. Ramey told news reporters this was nothing but a crashed weather balloon, but I do know this: later on, Ramey wanted to cover his statement up, because he didn't know, himself, what it was. I went back to Roswell to resume my duties, but what they did at Carswell was to make a mock display with a battered weather balloon and they let the press take pictures of that. The whole thing was a cover-up to begin with and that was the last I heard of it.

    I know it was not a weather balloon and I'd swear it on the biggest bible. It wasn't a missile or any part of an aircraft that we know of.




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    To mark the crash anniversary, Michael Donovan of OuterPlaces.com joined us on the HuffPost Weird News Podcast to discuss Roswell’s unanswered questions.

    Two years ago, Donovan was standing in the Roswell crash debris field along with Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr., a highly decorated military flight surgeon.

    "It was a moving experience because we're out on the site and this large thunderstorm was moving toward us -- you could see lightning flashing -- and he's standing there with his Iraq war veteran hat on and said, 'This is amazing. Sixty-six years ago, my father was standing on this very site,'" said Donovan.

    "His father had loaded debris into his car, drove back to Roswell, stopping at his house, and showed his wife and son, Jesse Jr., the material after spreading it out on the kitchen floor," said Donovan. "Here's a guy -- a doctor, a flight surgeon -- why would he make up an experience he had in the middle of the night when he was 11 years old? So, when we were standing there at the crash site, I asked him, 'When they loaded that plane up and flew it to Fort Worth, what happened to it?' And he said, 'You know what? I don't know.' But he said the base commander's secretary, a few years ago before she retired, showed somebody a box of stretchy stuff that, if you crushed it, it would pop open. Jesse Jr. said to me, 'I think that stuff must still be somewhere around, in the military's possession.'"

    Donovan says his belief in UFOs and a possible cover-up surrounding the Roswell UFO incident never gets in the way of his work -- which includes co-designing the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library.

    "No, not at all. It goes back to the idea of being on a quest, being a problem-solver, and that's what designers do. We solve problems. In the reading of science fiction, you begin on a path to discovery. That's what we do every day and it's really that kind of interest -- learning new things -- that put me on the path that I'm now on, relative toOuterPlaces.com.

    "In my own mind, I keep trying to create some kind of balance between what I think is a certain appropriate level of secrecy. We're adults in this country, by and large, and I think the government owes us as much information and let us make up our own minds."

    Here are some unanswered questions that continue to surround the 1947 Roswell UFO crash incident:

    1) What exactly crashed there in 1947? Was it a weather balloon, high altitude spy device, extraterrestrial craft?

    2) Did the military switch materials that Maj. Marcel brought back from the debris field and, instead, allow the press to take pictures of an actual battered weather balloon?

    3) If the crash site debris wasn't really a weather balloon, where did the real stuff end up?

    4) Why would the military decide to even issue a press release about a captured flying saucer?

    5) Related to the above question, why would the military suddenly change the story from flying saucer to weather balloon?

    6) Why did the military hire a local Roswell mortician to make child-sized caskets following the UFO debris retrieval?

    7) Why did Jesse Marcel Sr. wait more than 30 years before finally revealing his part in the Roswell UFO events?

    8) If true, why would the U.S. government want to cover up such a monumental event as the crash of an alien ship?

    This weekend's 20th Roswell UFO festival takes off full blast today with speakers giving their presentations at different locations simultaneously. If lectures don't fit your fancy, there's always the alien pet and alien costume contests and a UFO festival light parade to check out.
     
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    That picture looks like he's holding pieces of a weather balloon.
     
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    I once saw a documentary on debunking stuff like this with Penn Jillette. At one point, he made up some silly conspiracy and showed random people a picture of an average crowd at Disneyland. I forget what the conspiracy was about, but he would point at people in the picture and say things like, "if such and such isn't true, why is that kid holding an umbrella?" Or "if such and such isn't true, why is that lady pushing an empty stroller?"

    He convinced a lot of people before revealing it was all bullshit.
     
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    One day we will perceive ufo's and their visitors like natives saw European ships coming across the atlantic. deep space and the universe is no different than our world here when we looked across a vast unending ocean and believed the earth was flat, we were the center of the universe and the earth revolved around the sun. we will see that these ships and their beings are visitors curious about us and our world, but will they exploit and hurt us? will they or have they already shared gifts with us. there are more than one type of ship, there are different species, from different worlds and each different as we are. eventually we will adapt to them like the native American Indians did with us, but see how they turned out. hawking was right, not to be so quick to expect their intentions are good and maybe we shouldn't be trying so hard to contact them. something to wonder about anyway.
     
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    I have watched a lot of Science Fiction movies, but I've never seen a spaceship with a bathroom.

    The Enterprise has 500 rooms on-board, and nowhere to pee.
     
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    Not true, I've seen sinks in the living quarters.
     
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    They have to pee in the sink? I did that in college once, but only because my roommate wouldn't finish in the bathroom and I was hung over.
     
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    You're missing out.
     
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    If the UFO was made of indestructible material how did it fall apart, break into pieces and get destroyed?
     
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    Quit asking so many questions.
     
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    Years ago, due to a sand storm, got detoured into the deep desert off US 10 around Lordsburg New Mexico.. Radiator blew and had to be towed into town by this crusty old guy who's been doing it for years. He more or less confirmed that he's seen everything out there in the desert including unexplainable UFOs.
     
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    Sounds like a credible source.
     
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    My best friends Uncle held a high position in USA government years ago…He pretty much admitted the government was hiding a lot of UFO stuff from American people…I can't see closing our minds off to the possibility. This is a vast universe, much bigger then we know. Nothing would surprise me..
     
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    5) Related to the above question, why would the military suddenly change the story from flying saucer to weather balloon?

    This is the one that makes me curious...surely the military has encountered fallen weather balloons before, why was this one so different?
     
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    Isn't it more likely that "humans" in the future figure out how to time travel and they've come back in time to manipulate current events?

    Why would aliens basically look just like us?
     
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    The chances of another primate (upright, bipedal, same face, head, etc.) evolving on a totally different world with totally different conditions is pretty much zero.
     
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    How many times has the USAF explained this? Why did they threaten people in Roswell at the time to keep them silent?

    If UFOs were real, would the notion of "country" not fade away quickly? As would racism, since then there would be humans and aliens. Apparently UFOs were classified "above top secret" back in the day.

    Weird.
     
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    BILLIONS of cell phone cameras throughout the world, and yet NO ONE has ever taken a pic or video of a UFO! Case closed!
     
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    Very far. Going at space shuttle speed it would take us roughly 80 thousand years to get to the next solar system outside of our own. Going at light speed which is 6.6,000,000,000,000 miles per hour, it would take us 10 years.
    Undoubtedly there are aliens out there and are monitoring us primitive beasts, but they also probably have something like a non interference prime directive. Maybe if we survive and evolve, they will eventually contact us.
     
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    they are already amongst us. (someone had to say it.)