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  1. Getthepoisonout

    Getthepoisonout I regret my username

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    This is the case of a Toronto cop shooting a teen with a knife on a streetcar. Multiple video angles and audio. The cop was charged with 2nd degree murder, attempted murder and aggravated assault. Verdict came in yesterday and I will post below.

     
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    I doubt anyone will miss the kid
    he seems like a dick
    but the cop may have shot a little sooner than he should have



    and this was on public transportation
    I own a car

    cars fucking rock


    admitting all this seems like it was a bad idea
     
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    Getthepoisonout I regret my username

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    TORONTO — It was a volley too far.

    So said a jury Monday in convicting Toronto Police Const. James Forcillo of attempted murder in connection with the second round of shots he fired at Sammy Yatim in the teenager’s shooting death on a Dundas streetcar on July 27, 2013.

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    If the charge and finding make for curious law — Forcillo was charged both with killing and attempting to kill the same person and was acquitted of the more serious charge of murder — the verdict mirrors the widespread revulsion felt at the time by both civilian eyewitnesses and the broader public, who watched it happen almost as quickly as the actual witnesses thanks to iPhone video that was quickly uploaded online.

    When Forcillo fired the second volley of six shots, Yatim was lying on his back on the floor at the front of the streetcar, effectively dying.

    Though no one, least of all Forcillo, knew it then, the teen was mortally wounded, the constable’s first three shots having pierced his heart, shattered his spine and paralyzed him from the mid-chest down, and fractured his right arm.

    Certainly, the slight teenager never got to his feet again.

    But the 32-year-old Forcillo testified he believed Yatim was getting up to “renew the attack” — an attack, it should be noted, that never materialized in the first instance because Forcillo shot him the first time.

    The officer admitted he was wrong, said he was shocked the video showed Yatim raising himself so little, and said if he knew then what he knows now, he would not have fired the second volley.

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    Peter J. Thompson/National PostConstable James Forcillo leaves the courthouse after being found guilty of attempted murder in the death of Sammy Yatim, Monday Jan. 25, 2016.
    But he did, and it’s clearly what may — pending several legal issues to be ironed out first — send him to prison for a five-year sentence that is the mandatory minimum penalty for an attempted murder conviction.

    The maximum is life in prison.

    Forcillo is probably the first police officer in Ontario to be convicted of such a grave charge — certainly the first since the province’s independent Special Investigations Unit was formed in 1990 — and among a handful of officers in Canada to be convicted of serious crimes while in uniform and on the job.

    His conviction comes at a time when police use-of-force across North America is a huge issue.

    Unlike many police shootings south of the border, this was not a case of an officer shooting an unarmed black youth.

    The Syrian-born Yatim, stoned on ecstasy at the time, was armed with a switchblade when he was shot.

    On the streetcar earlier that night, albeit unknown to Forcillo, the teen exposed his penis and swung the knife at a young woman sitting near him and sent passengers fleeing in fear.

    Forcillo was pale but stoic as he stood to hear the jury foreperson read aloud the verdicts: not guilty of second-degree murder and the lesser included offence of manslaughter; guilty of attempted murder.

    For the father of two who joined the police in 2010 in part because he longed for a regular paycheque and the stability he didn’t have in his own family, the most dire consequences remain on the horizon.

    Pending a stay of charges motion (it’s based on a defence claim of abuse of process that says that since Forcillo was trained by the state and acted substantially in accordance with his training, the state isn’t entitled to a conviction) and a constitutional challenge to the mandatory minimum sentence (how can a police officer who is duty-bound to carry a firearm be punished for it?), his sentencing is put off until mid-May.

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    YouTubeConst. James Forcillo, second from right, with gun drawn confronts Sammy Yatim, visible in first window, on a Toronto streetcar in July 2013.
    As a result, Forcillo’s bail was extended and he remains a quasi-free man, albeit no longer a working one.

    Toronto Police Chief Mark Saunders announced within hours that Forcillo was immediately suspended — with pay until incarceration — as a result of the finding of guilt.

    If the verdict, which came on the jury’s sixth day of deliberation, left no one entirely satisfied, neither did it appear to add to tensions.

    In fact, it may have been, as Forcillo’s lead defence lawyer Peter Brauti wondered aloud outside the courthouse, a classic Canadian compromise.

    It was out of fear of a “compromise verdict” that defence lawyers argued in the jury’s absence for Ontario Superior Court Judge Ed Then to remove manslaughter, and attempted murder itself, from the jury’s consideration.

    As lawyer Lawrence Gridin said, the defence position was that the two volleys were part of “a single transaction” that lasted only 11 seconds, and that by charging Forcillo separately for each volley, prosecutors were artificially extending the officer’s liability.

    Indeed, Forcillo was charged with attempted murder only about a year after he was charged with murder.

    The shooting itself prompted angry protests in the streets, a review of how Toronto Police deal with so-called “people in crisis” — those, like Yatim, who are emotionally disturbed either from drugs or mental illness — by a former Supreme Court judge and led then-Chief Bill Blair to seek to equip frontline officers with Tasers.

    Less than three months after the shooting, Blair asked his police board for approval to deploy another 184 Tasers into ordinary officers’ hands; the board refused.

    Then as now, only sergeants and specialized units have Tasers.

    On the night Yatim was killed, Forcillo shouted for a sergeant with a Taser to be summoned to the scene.

    Clearly, Forcillo would have used it — and despite controversy surrounding the weapon, it is almost always less lethal than a firearm — and the odds are Sammy Yatim would still be alive.




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    By the time the sergeant arrived, Forcillo had fired both volleys, and Yatim, a pathologist testified, was likely dead.

    Only seven more Tasers — 579 — are deployed now in Toronto than there were in 2013, none on the frontline.

    Outside the courthouse, Yatim’s mother, Sahar Bahadi, as dignified as always, thanked a long list of people, including Torontonians “who have supported our Sammy,” and said she hoped to be a part of a discussion to change police training, and her estranged husband, Bill, issued a poignant statement, praying that, “This simply cannot happen again.”

    Alas, almost inevitably, it will. Police are the modern mental-health workers, the only ones, and as good as most officers are at it, Toronto Police answer 20,000 Sammy Yatim-type calls every year.

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  4. Tickle Shits

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    wtf the guy was down and he kept shooting? Guilty... but queue the BLM group..

    If he was on the street with a clear path at an officer it would be fine, but he was confined to the bus.. murder...
     
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    Guilty,


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    He was giving love a bad name according to Bong Jovies.
     
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    This shooting is pretty cut and dry. The officer was definitely at fault. Lock him up! :coffee:
     
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    Jury got it right. The guy had a knife but didn't appear to be distressed or violent at the time of gunshot and was in the bus so he couldn't exactly have lunged at them. Cop shot too quickly but no tears shed from me. You got a weapon and the cops are telling you to put it down but you refuse? Black skin or white skin you know what's going to happen.
     
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    This was the perfect scenario for non-lethal action. He had a knife and it was an empty bus. They could have made it on to the bus and tasered him. The jury made the right choice. The kid was down after the first three round burst, the officer didn't have to continue shooting with the second group of shots.