Politics The Day Israel attacked America

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  1. MrPACS

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    Never knew about this. Very interesting.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/blogs/americas/2015/06/israel-uss-liberty-attack-150608204015123.html


    Remembering USS Liberty: When Israel attacked America
    Thirty-four died and over 170 were injured in Israel's attack on the US warship during the 1967 Six-Day Arab-Israel War.
    08 Jun 2015 22:55 GMT | Israel, US, Middle East, History


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      Richard Brooks still remembers when the alert came.

      With klaxons sounding and people yelling, the tannoy system warned everyone "Standby to receive torpedo hit".

      "I thought I’ll never get out of this mess alive. Weird things were running through your minds, because I’d chalked myself off."

      He felt the torpedoes hit and the ship pitch to one side but realised he was still alive.

      And then the priority became survival. As chief engineer, he could tell the engines were still working. “My machinery was still intact and I was still making headway. I yelled through the voice tube ‘Give me all the steam pressure you’ve got, let’s get the hell out of this area’".

      Eventually his ship, The USS Liberty made its way to safer waters and managed to take stock of the sustained attack. Thirty-four were lying dead, more than 171 were injured.

      The victims of the day Israel attacked America.

      The Liberty had been sitting in international waters off the Sinai Peninsula. A spy ship, it had been gathering information as the 1967 Six-Day Arab-Israel War raged on land.

      'Mistaken identity'

      During the course of the day, the ship had been buzzed by Israeli aircraft. But flying the American flag, there was no cause for panic, no need for alarm.

      “People were sunbathing, enjoying the June sunshine,” said Brooks, who was more concerned with keeping the engines running. The demands of the job perhaps saved his life.

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      Al Jazeera investigates the truth behind the attack on USS Liberty
      Israel insisted it was a case of mistaken identity. It alleged that pilots were exhausted having fought so hard over the previous days. The US naval vessel was thought to be an Egyptian warship.

      And that’s why it was attacked with rockets and cannons and missiles and torpedoes.

      But Brooks doesn’t buy the Israeli apology. Standing next to the graves of his shipmates in Arlington National Cemetery he tells me “It wasn’t a tragic accident, It was a deliberate attack. They knew who we were. They tried to sink us. They wanted us out to either bring the Americans into the war by blaming the Arabs or we picked up some information about their war plans”.

      Websites set up to discuss the Liberty back Brooks’ suggestion. Some claim the Israeli planes which attacked were unmarked, hoping they’d be mistaken for Arab fighter jets. Others speculate that it was known the radio signals from the Liberty could be hacked by the Russians. And worried the US had picked up sensitive information about plans for the Golan Heights, which the Russians would pass to their allies, the Egyptians, the Israelis tried to sink the spy ship.

      Every year on June 8, the survivors gather to mark the attack - to read the names of the dead and to share stories and memories.

      The numbers are less every year. This year there were just seven survivors in attendance. But the passion to find out exactly what happened remains undiminished. As they stand between the white grave stones, a light summer breeze taking the edge off the afternoon heat, the memorial service also includes a call for justice and for truth.

      'We had a ship to sail'

      Ernie Gallo is the president of the USS Liberty Survivors Group.

      When you apologise, you apologise with the truth. Not with a lie. So it’s not an apology.

      Ernie Gallo, USS Liberty Survivors Group

      He remembers the attack and how everything seemed surprisingly calm. “We had to do what we could for our dead and wounded. We had a ship to sail. We had to get to safety”

      He’s read the reports, the official inquiries and read the books about the incident. He’s even written his own.

      I ask if he accepts the Israeli apology, and the explanation it was all a mistake created in the fog of war: “When you apologise, you apologise with the truth. Not with a lie. So it’s not an apology. Not as far as I’m concerned and our government is just as bad off for going along with it," he answered.

      To get a job on the Liberty, sailors were to have an outstanding service record and were chosen for their honesty and moral character. “Someone is lying here,” says Gallo, “and it isn’t us”.

      Even now he hopes there will be a full official inquiry into the events of June 8, 1967.

      Robert Brooks and Ernie Gallo know it’s unlikely, but they still hope it might happen. They both say the families of the dead and the survivors deserve the truth, before they mark another anniversary.

      Source: Al Jazeera
     
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    That's the G-rated version.
     
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    Huh?
     
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    From the reports I've seen, it was a brutal slaughter.
     
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    What's your point? Israel is going to whatever it needs to do to protect itself.

    Bibi is ten times the leader Obama is.

    Al Jazerra is a front for Islamists.
     
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    Stormfront's thatta way ... way down the road.
     
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    So i see you support Israel more than the US
     
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    Always amazed that telling the truth makes you an anti-Semite
     
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    Lesson: Don't cruise off shores in war zones thousands of miles from your own country. Especially if you don't liaise with the combatants to tell them where your ships will be.



    If you didn't read the title, could you tell which nationality these ships are? You're fixated on not flying into the sea while strafing and bombing. Try a realistic flight sim game and see how hard that is.

    The idea that aircraft and torpedo boats could sink a ship with US support possibly minutes away and think they would kill every single crew member that goes into the sea, to keep them from "disclosing a Golan Heights attack", is hard to believe.

    The Americans involve admit opening fire on torpedo boats manuvering aggressively, as if to launch attacks. Not blaming them, but you can see how this could lead to Israelis seeing this as confirmation of an enemy ship.

    It would not be unheard of for Arab forces to fly an American flag in a desperate measure to escape an attack.

    The first flag was 5x8. Imaging trying to eyeball that at a mile or two from the sky. Or 2-3 miles from a bouncing ship at high speed.

    It's possible the flags were not always streaming like you see in movies. A slow moving ship might not get it going, and if the wind was from the stern, it might just lay there limp. The ship reported it was steaming at just 5 knots. They claimed a 12 knot wind earlier in the day, but the ship would have changed course many times during an attack I'd assume. It may have been visable from a distance only intermittently.

    Hard for me to think that Lt. nobody on some glorified PT boat is let in on the conspiracy to murder their allies. Not to mention the hundreds of crew and pilots and ground control personnel involved all being assured to not blab later.

    At least 25 of the 32 dead were killed from a single sea launched torpedo hit, and these would be launched from over a mile away. Not sure sea spray covered bouncing optics moving at 40mph from a small craft could pick up any signals from the ship that it was American, even if they were looking for them.

    The majority of the crew, would be the last people you'd ask to determine what the Israeli motivation was. They were busy with their jobs on the ship during the attack and the majority would, as in all military actions, have little awareness of the events outside their narrow slice of it. Very few positions on such a ship would be above decks during an attack, as it is unarmored and there were few weapons to man.

    When police start shooting all the other police start blasting away in support, regardless of the validity of the shoot. It's entirely possible to believe this also happens in warfare and they're not thinking in terms of watching for signals from the ship that it's American.

    The crew have made numerous hard-to-believe claims, leading me to assume they may be acting on emotion rather than objective analysis. It's understandable that they are angry at Israel, and maybe that they would prefer they were victims of a betrayal rather than a foul up. One such claim was that they could see "satchels of explosives" in Israeli helicopters (that hovered oer them then did not attack) You see a bag? Ok. But you can tell it's explosives?

    I find it entirely plausible it was a case of mistaken identity, especially as the gains involved don't seem worth alienating your primary supplier of tanks and artillery at the time. They had to fly in emergency spare tank parts from American during the 1973 war. Having that source cut off 6 years earlier, in '67 would certainly be catastrophic in those years, before Israeli made its own weapons. Tanks wear out FAST.
     
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    How about real counterpoints instead of semi-glib dismissals? Just a thought, useful idiot.
     
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    Remember the time Saddam Hussein's Iraq attacked the US Navy ship USS Stark killing 37 service members. What did the dear leader cowboy Reagan do? Nothing.
     
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    I'm guessing you like Bibi because he's a good killer?
     
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    The point is that the Israeli military is cowardly.
     
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    The 6-Day War is a great example of a "pre-emptive" war, in which there is no doubt the enemy is about to attack you, so you preemptively strike at them first

    How fucking cool is it the Israeli Air Force (which rivals ours, by the way) took out those Egyptian planes before they even took off

    Our war on Iraq was often called "pre-emptive" but it was actually preventive
     
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    If you love them so much, why don't you fucking live there? Funny no armchair Israel supporters can ever answer that.
     
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    Israel's thatta way ====>
    Feel free to leave.
     
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    That's a misconception that Egypt was going to attack and Israel knew it. PM Menachem Begin claimed in a speech in 1982 that Nasser wasn't going to attack. "The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. ... We decided to attack him"
     
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