The Hopelessness Of American K-12 Schools...

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  1. HS Cult Leader

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    A long but important read!





    Politicians Are Making Schools Less Safe And Ruining Education For Everyone



    Paul Sperry

    March 14, 2015 | 8:25pm


    A fight at Murry Bergtraum High School in Manhattan was caught on cellphone video in 2012. Under a new city school discipline policy, such incidents could result in counseling, not suspensions.


    New York public-school students caught stealing, doing drugs or even attacking someone can avoid suspension under new “progressive” discipline rules adopted this month.

    Most likely, they will be sent to a talking circle instead, where they can discuss their feelings.

    Convinced traditional discipline is racist because blacks are suspended at higher rates than whites, New York City’s Department of Education has in all but the most serious and dangerous offenses replaced out-of-school suspensions with a touchy-feely alternative punishment called “restorative justice,” which isn’t really punishment at all. It’s therapy.

    “Every reasonable effort must be made to correct student behavior through…restorative practices,” advises the city’s new 32-page discipline code.

    Except everywhere it’s been tried, this softer approach has backfired.

    Yes, other large urban school districts are reporting fewer suspensions since adopting the non-punitive approach. But that doesn’t necessarily mean fewer infractions.

    In fact, many districts are seeing more classroom disruptions and violence — a national trend that ought to set off warning bells for New York school officials.

    What’s more, the movement — which is driven by new race-based anti-discipline guidelines issued by the Obama administration — is creating friction between teachers unions and the liberal mayors they otherwise support.

    Politicians can praise the new system, but it’s teachers who must deal with the disruptive and sometimes violent results.

    ‘You have to have consequences’
    Last month, for instance, the Chicago Teachers Union complained the city’s revised student-discipline code has left teachers struggling to control unruly kids.

    “It’s just basically been a totally lawless few months,” one teacher told the Chicago Tribune.

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    Chicago Mayor Rahm EmanuelPhoto: AP

    In June, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel announced that the district, as part of a “Suspension and Expulsion Reduction Plan,” was “moving away from a zero-tolerance policy and promoting restorative practices.”

    Students who bully classmates can no longer be removed from classrooms except for the worst offenses, and only then with the consent of a district supervisor.

    Just as Mayor de Blasio promised last month in announcing New York’s revised discipline policy, Emanuel assured skeptics the more “holistic” approach — which he says addresses the “root causes” of bad behavior — would still provide “a safe learning environment.”

    But so far this school year, the Tribune reports students have suffered little consequence for infractions as serious as groping a teacher and bringing hollow-point bullets to class.

    “You have to have consequences,” Chicago fifth-grade teacher John Engels told the paper. “If you knew the cops weren’t going to enforce the speed limit…you’d go 100 miles an hour.”

    In Syracuse, meanwhile, teachers complain student behavior has worsened since the school district collapsed discipline structures in favor of restorative justice practices. They say teens are more apt to fight, mouth off to teachers and roam the halls under the more lenient policy. They’re even seeing increasingly violent behavior among elementary school children.

    While the approach may be “laudable,” Syracuse Teachers Association President Kevin Ahern said in a recent letter to the Syracuse Post-Standard, it has created a “systemic inability to administer and enforce consistent consequences for violent and highly disruptive student behaviors” that “put students and staff at risk and make quality instruction impossible.”

    ‘Kids control the classroom’
    Los Angeles Unified School District is seeing a similar spike in campus offenses after its school superintendent followed federal orders to reduce suspensions of African-Americans. Even threats against teachers are ignored, as administrators’ hands are tied by the new policy.

    “I was terrified and bullied by a fourth-grade student,” a teacher at a Los Angeles Unified School District school recently noted on the Los Angeles Times website. “The black student told me to ‘Back off, b—h.’ I told him to go to the office and he said, ‘No, b—h, and no one can make me.’ ”


    I’m going to torture you. I’m doing this because I can’t be removed. - One student to teacher Allen Zollman
    Complained another LAUSD teacher: “We now have a ‘restorative justice’ counselor, but we still have the same problems. Kids aren’t even suspended for fights or drugs.”

    In neighboring Orange County, teachers are dealing with increasingly violent and disrespectful student behavior since schools there also switched to the restorative strategy.

    Recently mandated “positive interventions” have only exacerbated discipline problems in the largely minority Santa Ana public school district, where middle-school kids now regularly smoke pot in bathrooms — some even in class — and attack staff — spitting on teachers, pelting them with eggs, even threatening to stab them, according to the Orange County Register.


    According to a recent teachers union survey, 65 percent of Santa Ana educators said the softer discipline system is not working. Dozens of teachers have filed hostile-work-environment complaints.

    Defiance toward teachers is on the rise in Philadelphia public schools, as well, where talking circles have replaced suspensions.

    A former Philly middle-school teacher complains minority students act out and then dare teachers to kick them out of class, knowing full well their hands are now tied.

    “I’m going to torture you,” Allen Zollman says one student told him. “I’m doing this because I can’t be removed.”

    Knowing there won’t be consequences, bullies control the classroom and disrupt lessons for all kids who want to learn.

    “The less we are willing or able to respond, the more they will control the classroom, the hallways and the school,” Zollman added in testimony before the US Commission on Civil Rights.

    Blaming the teachers
    The administration welcomes this “Lord of the Flies” scenario.

    Thanks to talking circles and peer juries, “young people are now taking control of the environment,” Education Secretary Arne Duncan gushed in a 2014 speech to black students at Howard University.

    “It’s sort of a counterintuitive thing for many of us as adults, but the more we give up power, the more we empower others, often the better things are,” Duncan added. “And empowering teenagers to be part of the solution, having them control the [classroom] environment, control the culture, be the leaders, listening to them, respecting them — when we do that, wonderful things happen for kids in communities that didn’t happen historically.”

    Just weeks after “empowering teenagers,” San Diego public schools witnessed a surge in violent assaults.

    At Lincoln High School, for example, students reported frequent campus fighting. In just one recent month, there were several arrests, including one involving a butcher knife, according to local TV news reports. School officials confirm at least 16 batteries in just the first few months of the school year.

    Violence is still a problem in Oakland schools after officials there substituted such restorative counseling for suspensions on similar orders from Obama educrats.

    “There have been serious threats against teachers,” Oakland High School science teacher Nancy Caruso told the Christian Science Monitor, and yet the students weren’t expelled. She notes a student who set another student’s hair on fire received a “restorative” talk in lieu of suspension.

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    High school student Myriah Brisco, 14, (left) and her mother, Ramona Roberson, comment on their restorative justice class at the Augustus F. Hawkins High School in Los Angeles.Photo: AP

    Yet the administration is holding up Oakland’s new discipline program as a national model. Little wonder: Teacher training for the program, led by Restorative Justice for Oakland Youth, includes sessions titled, “Race and Restorative Justice” and “African-Centered Restorative Justice Approaches.”

    After spending millions on restorative justice and “courageous conversations about race” training, Portland public schools have seen their students only grow more violent.

    After a black high-school boy repeatedly punched his teacher in the face, sending her to the emergency room, the teacher, who is white, was advised by the assistant principal not to press charges. The administrator lectured her about how hard it is for young black men to overcome a criminal record.

    Worse, she was told she should examine what role she, “as a white woman” holding unconscious racial biases, played in the attack, according to the Willamette (Oregon) Week.

    A white sixth-grade teacher at a mostly black Washington, DC, school told the US Commission on Civil Rights she had similar “conversations” in which she was told that the bad behavior of black boys is mainly the teacher’s fault. “I have been encouraged to examine and question how my own racial dispositions affect my teaching and my students,” Andrea Smith testified.
     
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    Defining discipline down

    During cultural sensitivity training required of school districts under restorative justice programs, teachers are told they are largely to blame for bad behavior of black students because they “misinterpret” African-American culture.

    The training sessions, which often run several days, are led by civil-rights activist groups seeking “racial justice.”

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    High school student Cameron Wallace, 17, (right) and and his father, Johnny Wallace, attend a restorative justice class in Los Angeles.Photo: AP

    One prominent consulting group is Pacific Educational Group. San Francisco-based PEG has collected millions of dollars from dozens of major school districts across the country holding teacher workshops designed to “achieve racial justice in our schools.”

    Among PEG’s workshops: “De-centering Whiteness in School Discipline” and “White Supremacy, White Privilege and Racial Oppression: Getting In On Courageous Conversation.”

    Here’s the course description of a 2013 restorative justice-related workshop, according to a PEG brochure: “Institutions are infested with token people of color and racist white people who uphold White Supremacy, causing a survivor mentality among those who encounter daily micro-invalidations, -aggressions, and -assaults in hostile environments. Though a historical overview, learn about the oppressive system known as the American Education System, a school system that was never designed for children of color.”

    At least two top Obama education officials have received PEG awards at national PEG conferences.

    White teachers are taught to check their “unconscious racial bias” when dealing with black students who act out. They’re told to open their eyes to “white privilege” and white cultural “dominance,” and have more empathy for black kids who may be lashing out in frustration. They are trained to identify “root causes” of black anger, such as America’s legacy of racism.

    Teachers are told to respect black “culture,” which is described as more “emotional” and “physical,” and to give disruptive students a pass when they curse and threaten them, because “African-American boys are demonstrative” and that’s just how they “engage in learning,” according to the Monitor. Talk about racism!


    Fleeing public schools

    Instead of being kicked out of school or suffering other serious punishment, even repeat offenders can negotiate the consequences for their bad behavior, which usually involve paper-writing and “dialogue sessions.”

    RJ (restorative justice) can encourage misbehavior by lavishing attention on students for committing infractions. - Teacher Paul Bruno
    Teachers are trained to make sure black kids “feel respected,” and to listen to their complaints without judgment or criticism. Misbehaving kids are handed a “talking stick” and encouraged to emote about the issues underlying their anger. More often than not, they are treated as victims, even if they start fights or threaten teachers.

    No longer can teachers in these programs deal swiftly with a disruptive child by removing him from class. Conflicts take days, even weeks to resolve as schools coordinate talking circles around the schedules of teachers, principals, counselors, parents and even campus police — all of whom must take time out and meet to deal ever-so-delicately with a single problem student.

    And that doesn’t include the in-class circles also required under the restorative approach. Teachers are trained never to snap at a mouthy student interrupting a lesson but rather to gather students in a circle to share their feelings about the problem.

    Even if such pow-wows diffuse conflicts, they take an inordinate amount of time away from academic instruction. They also give troublemakers incentive to continue causing trouble.

    “RJ (restorative justice) can encourage misbehavior by lavishing attention on students for committing infractions,” warns Paul Bruno, who participated in talking circles while teaching middle school in Oakland and South Central Los Angeles. In fact, he added in a Scholastic.com blog, “the circles may unwittingly allow already assertive students to leverage their social dominance even further inside the classroom.”

    Restorative justice activists argue the program combats bias that contributes to disproportionate discipline, suspensions, drop-outs and the “school-to-prison pipeline.” But all too often, it merely provides rowdy students an excuse for continued bad behavior.

    New York public schools may get their suspension numbers “right” under the new racially correct discipline standards. But their enrollment numbers will likely suffer in the process, as more students — and teachers — transfer to safer private or charter schools. In a misguided effort to be “fair” to a few, politicians are hurting the education of the many.

    Paul Sperry is a Hoover Institution media fellow and author of “Infiltration” and the “The Great American Bank Robbery.”

    http://nypost.com/2015/03/14/politi...ess-safe-and-ruining-education-for-everyone/?
     
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    None of this is new.

    My parents sent me to a shitty public high school (all my sibs went to great private schools) where this nonsense was in place in 1979.

    Ghetto blacks (segregation/bussing) were being suspended far more often than whites, the newspaper did a write-up, and then blacks would not be disciplined at all for any offense. Eventually they started beating up the white kids, and the white kids would be suspended for getting beat up.

    There was a huge race riot which sent many to the hospital. We had two weeks off from school, then I was forced to be "re-educated" to fix me from my racist ways.

    It's no different today. It won't be any better 40 years from now.
     
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    No one is talking about the 5000 pound elephant in the room. The real reason kids in this country are not learning and are way behind other countries.
    1) broken homes
    2) no respect for teachers or the institution
    3) millions of illegal immigrants that don't speak English and are dragging down the system
    4) over crowded schools
    5) pre-occupied with texting, social media, and video everything
    6) a country of one type of race tends to learn better as a group (Finland or Sweden or Japan as an example) .. we have forced people who normally would not fraternize or socialize with each other and asked them to assimilate. Won't work, will never work.
    7) everyone wants to blame teachers. BULLSHIT! if kids want to fuck off and not learn and there parents don't parent then its not the teachers fault.
     
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    Our school went the other way. They got wild with the suspensions to the point of both people in a fight getting suspended for not running away. I got suspended for getting punched in the eye. My parents were furious but only because they both worked and I had no where to go.
     
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    You couldn't be more right!

    What some apparently don't realize is that very soon, public schools will nothing more than glorified juvenile detention centers. Any kid that WANTS to learn will jump ship if they have any chance to do so. Any parents that actually care will pull their kids and put them in a charter/private school that has the exact opposite practices....schools that simply don't allow violent, disruptive animals to steal their child's chance at an education. Any teacher that has a chance will leave public schools and look to teach in other areas, or leave the profession completely.

    What will be left behind is a school full of largely unqualified, inexperienced teachers that are there as "educators"....but in reality are more like unqualified prison guards who are trying desperately to keep order without getting assaulted. They will be in rooms full of "kids" that have absolutely no intention of learning anything....kids that treat school as a place to hang out with their loser friends, sell drugs, and cause trouble with no consequences.

    These schools will be the ultimate example of failure....but STILL the only group that will be given any blame is the teachers. We will STILL get shit parents/shit students giving interviews about how "their school has failed them...racism...etc".

    The only sad part is that in those shithole schools, there will be a few good kids that don't have any way to get out. Kids that...if given a chance...might actually rise up to the expectations of society and graduate like a human being. Those kids will be kept down with the animals.
     
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    I lean pretty Left and my wife is a public school elementary teacher (20 years) but I have to agree with #1, #2 and #7 on your list. The parents are the ones who teach the kids to have respect for the teacher, the institution and the learning. And while we stereotype across racial lines, this year for her has been the worst with entitled white parents who can't get their kids to school on time...take them out of school for 3 extra days because Disney is cheaper at a certain time of year....don't do homework because they were at soccer practice too late, etc. Her Hispanic kids happen to be the hardest working kids in the class. And, sorry, the Asians are the best. Most respectful. Do their work. Engage. No shit the parents come to the conferences and bow to my wife.

    Even as a lefty I have to honestly look back and say for the most part public education has failed us. We have 50 years of data to work with and we have to look in the mirror and admit that some kids are just not gifted academically. It's sad but we have to start channeling those kids to vocations and trades earlier (5th, 6th grade) so that we have the resources to focus on the smarter kids. Education is such a gift that it shouldn't be wasted on those who clearly don't want to be there.
     
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    I agree with 1-6, but teachers have to take responsibility too.
    I've seen many teachers "check out" once they become tenured.
    There needs to be some type of verification that teachers will keep up with their skills each year, and ensure they are performing at the level they should.
    Perhaps teachers should pass a test before keeping their job the next year.

    Many of my teacher friends (many not all) only became teachers because they knew it would be an "easy" gig & they would have summers off.
     
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    Just to clarify, you should have sourced this and noted that Paul Sperry is a conservative pundit and obviously this article has a slant.
     
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    I am not THAT old. Class of '78..We dressed appropriately, We had ultimate respect for teachers, we were scared shitless to get a failing grade or left behind, we had assembly every Friday and had to wear a tie, my parents were very involved in making sure I was doing my homework and went to parents-teacher night and wholly hell would break loose if I got a bad report and I learned very well from the New York Public School System. Just about everyone I know went on to have successful lives.
     
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    Good idea! :idea:


    That's why I did it when I posted it! :secret:
     
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    my bad.... didn't see the 2nd part.
     
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    unfortunately, you are correct about most of these things.
    i'm a new grandma (yes, i'm ancient) and we've already decided that we'll pay for private school K through 12 (not that they're so great)but at least you can eliminate certain problems attached with going to public schools.
    sending your child to public school nowadays is like throwing a lamb in with a bunch of jackals....parochial schools are a less expensive way to go. i wouldn't care if she went to a catholic or hebrew school.
    florida public schools are pretty scary (boca and wellington are exceptions in palm beach county)...all the others? YIKES!!!!!!!
     
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    This practice is not in place where my daughter goes to school thank god.
    If it were, I would actually take @Mlaw's advice and home school her.
    My friend's son is in the same Catholic grammar school that we went to. High standards across the board for every kid and if they can't cut it they get left behind.
    Granted, it's mostly white but that's because the public schools suck.
     
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    i didnt read it all, but i think the school system is fine.
    anyone who wants to advantage the available resources can be very successful.

    i dont think this concept is wrong, i was bad in school cause i hated being there. and my punishment was not having to go to school for a few days, it was the greatest thing ever.
     
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    Vouchers to ghetto blacks for Hebrew school.
     
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    At least there are fat, mentally ill white women who will see to it that they learn about "White privilege" and "genderqueer" as early as possible.

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    LOUISVILLE, Ky. — This year’s recently-concluded White Privilege Conference in Louisville, Ky. featured a workshop promoting lesson plans designed to teach children as young as kindergarten about “genderqueer,” “gender-fluid” and “transgender folks.”

    The workshop, entitled “‘Your skin is too brown’: Taking Action to Address White Privilege in the K-5 Classroom.” occurred on the closing day of the conference, which was held at a posh downtown hotel.

    ...The workshop presenters described the political problem they wish to combat as “identity-based bullying and how it plays out in the classroom with regard to power, oppression and privilege.”

    America’s elementary school teachers need to instruct children that it’s wrong to “adhere to the gender binary,” the workshop presenters explained, because “the gender binary” creates “more power and privilege in the classroom.”

    A member of the overwhelmingly white, female workshop audience helpfully explained that “binary” means “there’s a male gender and female gender and no in-between.”

    Middle school is too late for such a message, the presenters stressed.

    Eager and Fleming promoted a prefabricated grade-school curriculum called Welcoming Schools, which is “a project of the Human Rights Campaign Foundation.”

    Eager and Fleming distributed a flyer during the workshop advertising “over 25″ “lessons aligned with the Common Core State Standards.”


    Fleming enthusiastically emphasized to workshop attendees that the curriculum is “Core-aligned.”

    The flyer describes Welcoming Schools as “a comprehensive approach to improve elementary school climate.” The three goals of the approach are to “embrace family diversity,” “avoid gender stereotyping” and “end bullying & name-calling.”

    The flyer also promises to “help your school” to “create a Welcoming Schools task force.”

    The White Privilege Conference workshop included a 14-minute film illustrating a lesson in identity-based bullying. The video, which opened with ominous yet tragically sad music, featured a lesson centered on color blobs. A mean red color blob made fun of other color blobs. Then, the other color blobs unite against the red blob.

    “Does anybody know what it means to be gay or lesbian?” the teacher in the video delivering the lesson asks a group of young elementary school kids — perhaps third graders.

    Near the end of the workshop, attendees broke into small groups to discuss power and privilege structures as well as issues such as, “How do heterosexual families end up being what the norm is?”