Theories on why Howard changed

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  1. MutteringJohn

    MutteringJohn Well-Known Member

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    First of all we know that most of the radio persona is an act to begin with. I think you have to go back to when Howard initially started to change. Can we trace it back to 9/11. Jackie leaving. The divorce. Beth. The outside forces of PC. Howard's religous experience, Therapy, His daughters. They were all factors. Some say it's money. Howard has been wealthy for many years. Even going back to the K-Rock days.
    Once Howard was in NYC, LA and Philly his salary could have been anywhere from $5-10 million a year. He was probably making $25 million before his second to last terrestrial radio contract. When he first came over to Sirius he was still having Daniel Carver on, God hates fags and playing Reggie Hating Hat. Janks was still making phony phone calls. He was still trashing Rosie, Ellen, Kathy Lee. Was still ripping Morning Zoos and wishing cancer and AIDS on his competitors. The change probably started the second year of his Sirius contract. He had still been with Beth but hadn't gotten married yet. The biggest change came with the demise of Artie. That probably put the final nail in the coffin, no pun intended. Howard realized what he said and how he acted impacted people's lives. There are really only two more pillars to fall. His reconcilliation with Leno and going on the Oprah TV Network.

    Now Howard attacks the conservatives and right wingers. These are the same people who ripped Howard for his vicious behavior. Howard has always been a liberal. The crossover to Hollywood Howie was speaking out for the Gay community. Howard is now welcome at the Academy Awards. He would be applauded as a presenter. How many of those guests at Jimmy's would have shown up for early to mid nineties Stern. The one that unleashed Stuttering John. The thing is you can't evolve in Mr Nice Guy. That's not what people tune in for.
    Mr Nice Guy is boring. In order to be true to your fans you have to maintain the nastiness and go after the phonies even at the expense of not going to parties in the Hamptons with Beth. Didn't Beth know what she signed up for. The Howard act on the radio had to stay the same. The whole point of Howard going to AGT was he suppose to be outrageous. Howard turning into everyone love me is as ridiculous as Randy Jackson turing into the nasty judge on American Idol. No one would buy it.
     
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    Beth! Thread over
     
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    he hasnt changed at all, the crazy rock and roll howchie is his character...
     
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    With Allison he was miserable which produced great radio. Now he says amazing 18 times a show because his cunt dog expert wife.
     
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    I said Beth was a factor but there's more to it and that. Otherwise he would have sold out when he first started dating her. That is when a guy is most vulnerable and will do anything to keep his girlfriend.
     
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    Two words: LSD
     
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    Listen, he got some money, lost the fire, got the semi hot chick cheerleader to marry him and wants to be accepted by the A list group....he tries too hard, pushing that average wife of his...and wants to be accepted by the group that always shunned him.
    The classic nerd that wants to be accepted...every TV movie that he loves...dork makes good.
     
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    In a nutshell,

    the departure of a real woman and replacement with a vacuous Polack,

    over-analysis with that fucking shrink who's been hosing him for years,

    the absence of Jackie as the one individual who'd take him to task for being an asshole,

    the dawning sense of entitlement to the Kings Ransom he "deserved" paid upfront based on the past no longer rewarded retroactively for the present,

    no ratings to hold his feet to the fire

    and the realization that despite his legendary radio accomplishments, to the people whose respect he most coveted, he was considered an oddity if not an outright joke.

    Then factor in his latent homosexuality and his obviously finally coming to terms with it.

    All contributory factors IMO, but if I had to pick 2 it's the alienation of Alison and 2 of his daughters and too much of that fucking shrink.
     
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    Then it had to be the marriage. Howard never liked that Beth was being treated as the hot girlfriend. Do you think Beth told him she wasn't being accepted but tolerated. They talked behind her back saying she was hanging around with that creep, Howard Stern. I guess they were being invited to some parties but not all the parties in the Hamptons.
     
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    Hash oil and orgies!
     
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    power corrupts, even disk jockeys. and the love of money is the root of all evil; in howchie's case, it's the love of marbles. all the marbles.

    and i'm not so sure he's changed, as much as he has let out his real personality, which he kept well hidden behind several devices, not the least of which was having funny people on the show carry the load
     
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    Yuck...I am so hoping the AGT crowd sees Howie and his wife for what they really are..a couple of phonies kissing up to A list celebs, hoping to be accepted.. I want to puke every time I think about how may times I defended Howard.
     
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    Once he got married he watched DWTS, Bachelor. Awdee maintained some testosterone in the studio but Beth definately pushed the marriage and the downfall began.
     
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    pretty sure both sides of that equation play the same game
     
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    The new wife changed him.
    She began to complain about what people were going to think.
     
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    :weird:
     
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    This. When Howard spoke about disrepect Beth was recieving, it was probably from the other gold diggers on the nyc/hamptons social scene. Once married, Beth was then accepted, and soon began dragging Howard to one hamptons event after another.

    All of the recent reconcilliations have been a product with Beth first meeting the individual at some cocktail party er..... i mean charity. No comfortable from the dirty looks, Howard figure it would be best to turn into the pc "evolved" howard we see today.

    Once Artie left, this became very evident, as for years Artie carried the show when it came to shit stirring, throwing barbs, and innapropriate jokes. Even when Artie was crashing and burning in 2009 (and in my mind a detriment to the show) his presence and downward spiral took the attention off the evolving host and put it squarely on him.

    There is also nobody left to call out howard on this. It's obvious that he no longer wants to be doing morning radio, so what underling whose livelihood depends on Howard waking up to do a show is going to do anything to make his job a challange.

    So yes, the change is because of the social circle he has been hanging with and vying for acceptance of since marriage
     
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