Theory on how “Ronnie’s Block Parties” led directly to the New Marci Turk Regime.

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  1. Ving

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    My theory on how “Ronnie’s Block Parties” led directly to the New Marci Turk Regime. (self.howardstern)

    submitted 7 months ago * by chonesmcskiddsI see OJx2

    Let me take you back…if you’re a new listener…do yourself a favor and head on over to youtube this week and watch Tom Chiusano parts 1, 2, 3, and 4. You will hear a different Howard Stern. One who argues with his bosses live on the air, and dishes on all kinds of company dirty laundry. Discussing private meetings with Infinity and Viacom big wigs, exposing how Tom was cheating the sales dept. calling out the FCC, just having an ‘honesty is best policy’ when it came to all things show related…His being censored made him hyper sensitive to secrecy and led to him seeking the open promised land of Sirrius and the motto of: ‘No Bullshit’.

    Those who post about how horrible the show has become will, no doubt, feel a sting when hearing a younger Howard’s energetic and ambitious plans for his new satellite home, with 3 channels to program, and endless ideas for each one.

    You’ll also hear a theme that has been a sore spot between he and loyal fa-fa-flo-hi over the years…something that was exposed during the “Benjy being late” saga: His desire to have someone in charge who could just ‘Get Things Done’. Yes, late nineties and early 2000’s he uses that exact term. Gary is sometimes too inexperienced, too much of a softy or, on particularly bad days, too incompetent to do the ugly dirty work that comes back around to Him. And Tom? He’s the worst General Manager in radio…needlessly injecting himself into the show, promoting jocks Howard deems as competition and also too much of a ‘yes man’ for Infinity and the FCC …Howard loves him as a person, but calls him an idiot and just wants competency in management!

    Enter Tim Sabean. He has the energy, the vision, and the talent to execute Howard’s vision for the future…at least at first.

    Meanwhile, Gary’s growing personal appearances are a thorn in Howard’s side. “How about staying home and thinking about the show?” he'd moan from time to time. Then Gary starts taking Ronnie along to help open up strip clubs. Ronnie’s antics and crazy personality become far too interesting to keep him off the air. So now, you have ‘Celebrity Employees’. Great for providing content for the air…but possibly hurting the internal business side of things. Still, it’s just a drip of a complaint here and there.

    Time goes on and Tim Sabean begins to develop a kooky personality as well. He’s a horrendously bad speller. He’s yukking it up with Back Office staff. He’s beefing with Ross Zapin during the Wrap Up Show and emailing pics of his bald head to other employees. Ross lets it slip that he’s not alone in the company when it comes to worrying about Tim's professionalism. Ouch. Another wacky celebrity/person in authority on Howard’s staff.

    Moving forward on the timeline…Gary is now on every Late Night talk show, promoting his book. An irritated Boff jokingly asks how much longer…until one day, the joking stops and Howard has to correct him, on air, for discussing good vs bad guests in an interview. And like other times when Howard berates Gary, he goes to a common well: “Do you think this happens with Dave Letterman?” Or if not, “Do you think Loren Michaels would put up with this shit?”

    Ronnie is also in the height of the Block Party era… One of my personal favorite times in show history. Back Office Radio is on. Jason and Will are killing it by pulling the curtain all the way back. It’s a beautiful time to be a listener. Artie isn’t around…but the show still has a manic pace, with constant on air beefs with Brandano, and JD and Hein and Shuli and epic Wrap Up show throw downs between Jason and Benjy and Scott DePace and Gary…and the incomparable Scott the Engineer! Glorious days.

    But then, five events set into motion a new, more clandestine, era.

    1. The first is small but significant: Jason Kaplan starts wearing a Blazer or Sports Jacket into work. He thinks it makes him look less fat. It starts a domino like chain of events. Howard comments that the slobby guys on his staff should look more professional…and zeroes in on Gary particularly and says he should start wearing a jacket. Gary fights this…but eventually gives in. Howard is wanting at least the outward appearance of the competence and professionalism he has been screaming for over the years. Once he sees what’s possible…there is no looking back. The loose Back office atmosphere is gone…something has to take its place.

    2. Ronnie asks Howard in an elevator ride up to the studio if it’s ok to screen “Private Parts” at a Block Party event. Howard goes off like he’s on fire in the studio and says he wants the Block Party to be done. Over with. He’s sick of his staff all becoming celebrities and making money off the show. He’s sick of Lisa G’s sweet and greet events that are an attempt for her to cash in on the success of the Block Parties…he goes on to bemoan how disgusted he is that she’s another one promoting a book. She gets a rare on-air rebuke from her crush of a Boss. He tantrums over having a producer who is out promoting a book or doing TV specials with Hein, or gone over the weekend to attend CES in Las Vegas when he should be thinking about the show! His anger is real. It’s awkward. And you can feel the staff sort of deflate as they collectively realize that the gravy train is leaving the station. It’s not too long after this that Back Office Radio is canceled without any mention on air until some callers get through and Howard, in a manner not consistent with the honest and candid guy from the KRock days, brushes it off with the infamous glib, ‘It’s on hiatus’ answer.

    3. Shit Gate. Tim Sabean, once, the bright and shining knight brought in to replace Tom Chiusano is shamed and made out to be a kind of good natured but shameful baffoon. Tim’s feelings are actually hurt…And Howard possibly realizes he needs someone new at the helm…and maybe begins to have doubts about making everyone in his professional life an ‘on-air’ personality.

    4. AGT. Howard signs on and comments about how efficient and professional the crew is over on the TV side. He doesn’t pull any punches when it comes to his feelings that they: ‘know what they are doing’ as far as how to pull off a big show. Again, Howard sees how the writers and crew over at Letterman, and SNL and now AGT are interchangeable…answerable to higher, authoritarian figures who aren’t afraid to fire and hire talent…and he’s finally ready to have that same level of perceived professionalism in his own hallways…especially now that ‘A listers’ are willing to come in and kiss his ring. It’s time for a change.

    5. Robin’s cancer. Howard thinks it’s the end. But Robin bravely requests that she continue to broadcast during her fight…only on the condition that it’s not a topic of discussion as to why she isn’t physically in the studio. For almost a year there is an elephant in the room that is not discussed with the fans. Astute listeners notice she sounds different, or is just not there when the show starts. Then guests keep fucking up and revealing she’s not in the studio. Even In Demand Episodes clearly show that she’s not there for crying out loud…but Howard and the once open Wrap Up show are completely silent about ‘WHY’. Why isn’t she there? Anger starts to build among the listeners and callers. Mistrust. What’s with the secrecy? Finally, all is revealed. And most of us accept that our anger was misplaced…but the seeds for being able to have an Open Secret that you can brazenly keep from the fans have been sown…and just not talking about a glaring issue is now something that the show can apparently get away with.
    And so all these little snowballs begin to grow into an avalanche…culminating in a cloak and dagger clearing of house that the old Howard would have brought out into the open…as he did with his divorce, as he did with Jackie leaving, as he did when Stuttering John left. Tim Sabean, the Howard TV crew, Tracy Millman, and now Lisa G…all who were big parts of the show and the show history…gone and silently replaced like a bad TV show that doesn’t respect the intelligence of the audience… John Hein once called that kind of behavior 'jumping the shark'.

    And so now, a new boss is at the helm. We all know her name. We know she’s there. And Howard finally got his wish. For better, or worse…someone is finally “getting things done” for him. Efficient. But the high cost is self imposed show censorship…The exact same censorship he was fighting with Tom Chiusano about. It’s true, to beat a monster…you have to become a monster. It used to be that Howard would rail against a GM who would smile and pretend nothing was wrong as the show suffered…it was an affront to his fans…”honesty!” He cried. “Come with me”, Howard asked… ‘to a land flowing with truth and no censorship.”…Sure, you will pay for this new honesty…but “it will be worth it” he told us…He refused to be silenced…And now? Well, now the silence is deafening.

    edit: Whoa. thank you to kind soul who gave me gold for this. wow.
     
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  2. Donkeyboy2190

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    Wasn't this already posted months ago?
     
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    He is a redditor. Reposting is the only way he knows.
     
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    After all his complaining about his ambitious staff's side projects, Howard finally got what he wanted: a fearful group of employees who think only of his show, and never about their own careers outside the show. And yet, the Stern Show is the worst it's been in the 21 years I've been listening. So if this is what happens when all of those masterminds direct all of their focus only on Howard's show, then they should abandon this concept and go back to the way it was.

    Also, Robin was out of the studio for more than a year. I believe it was 16 months.

    And finally: His being censored had nothing to do with his move to Sirius. This is what he told New York Magazine in 2005, in an interview promoting his move to Sirius:

    “I’m losing stations,” he said. “I’m not going to be making more money; I’m going to be making less money."
    So he traded his $25 million dollar a year salary on terrestrial for a five-year, $500 million contract with Sirius.

    (To be fair, he also said: "And fuck the money, I’m going to be making shit radio. How am I the outrageous Howard Stern if I can’t talk?”
    But when have you ever known Howard to put the integrity of his radio show over money? When Sirius offered him less money for his second contract, he said, "Fuck the show! If you offer me less money, then I'm taking my show from four days a week to three ... And then suing you for $300 million a couple months later."
     
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    I cant believe how many people are falling for this Marci Turk trick, It may be Howard and Buchwalds greatest lie.
     
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    What's the bullet points man, Im not reading this Shakespearean post
     
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    He's just a shitty poster, most of all.
     
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    I am not reading that

     
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    ...marci tuk is the fall guy for beth sucking the life out of howard and the show.
     
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    The biggest fallacy is that Howard ended the Block Parties because of they were embarrassing Howard. What was embarrassing Howard was the fact that no one was going to them anymore.

    All you have to do is look at them over the years. When they first started and for the first few years, they were doing 2-3 a month and were doing decent sized venues. By the end, they were doing one a month and shit venues like movie theaters that serve alcohol or casinos in Buttfuck, Indiana. Scott, Sal, and Richard had already quit the tour because they weren't making money.

    Howard gave them an ultimatum in something like July of 2013 to end the Block Parties by January 1, 2014. By August of 2013, the last ever Block Party was canceled the week before the show (most likely because of poor ticket sales). It make no sense to have stopped them early since that if the Block Parties were successful that once Howard issued an edict that the Block Parties were going away that the remaining Block Parties would sell like crazy.

    It never made sense that Howard shut down the Block Parties because he was embarrassed by them. If he was embarrassed, he just wouldn't have mentioned them on the air. Only a few hundred people see them a year.
     
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    hey i'm just curious fan whos got a question & you seem like a astute fan of the show. and you said you have been listening for 21 years and the show is at its worst. are there any other lowpoints for you as far as years you could name? for example lets say the first few artie years, or possibly the couple of months after jackie left
     
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    Great piece.
    The point about Howard admiring the production crews at Dave's and AGT is true. However, ffwd to present days. The show isn't chock full of A-Listers, the interviews aren't any better than they were, and the show is filled with commercials and "interludes". I think that instead of giving a GREAT show and have everyone operate at the top of their game, they dumbed the show down to a manageable level for the dummies they have on staff. Even laid off a bunch because it is about $$$ after all.
    Then the peripheral radio shows--Back Office, Geek Time, Ronnie's shows, etc. These shows that involved direct staff (NOT Riley, Fitzsimmons, Zito, et al.) were eliminated. Why? Is it possible that Ralph was neglecting Howie's wardrobe because of Geektime? I doubt it. That show was better than THSS has been in the last 3 years. Jealousy on Howard's part? We already know that most fans loved Back-Office, and many loved Geek Time, though that info never made it on the air. Howard, in one way or another, sees or hears feedback from various sources. I'm guessing that the BAD stuff has to be "found" by Howard himself, as no one wants to tell the King bad news. I also doubt theses guys were paid anything to do the shows. Why cancel them?
    If the show were HALF the show it was 5-10 years ago, with half of the breaks and great, relevant guests, then the staff would be cannon fodder. Gotta break eggs to make an omelet. Frankly, that would be acceptable. Why didn't Howard involve his fans in a "Re-Name Gary the Retard" bit or contest? He could have broken bad on how it was PC bullshit, and we probably would have joined in. Instead, we suddenly get no Gilbert, changed Wack Pack names, and less teasing about the usual suspects. Don't ask any questions.
    I'm hoping to someday find out what happened during this time, from the ones that were there. Maybe this is some weird bargaining or jockeying for the next phase of his career (don't think he'll retire when he's irrelevant). Maybe it's shit now, and then when he re-appears on whatever media he next chooses, it'll be like the old show again, only streamlined. Kinds like when people hang with fatsos----so they look thinner/better. Howard's way of saying "See how shitty radio could be without my total involvement?"
    Somehow I doubt it.
     
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    The one I remember the most (before this current era) is the last two years or so at K-Rock. Right after Janet Jackson exposed her breast on the Super Bowl halftime show, the censorship started. Then Stuttering John left. However you may feel about John's contribution and place in show history, losing him led to incessant complaining by Howard about Leno 'stealing' John from him. Between the censorship, complaining about censorship, and whining about Leno and John, it was a difficult time to be a listener. There were some highlights of course, like the Get John's Job contest and adding Sal and Richard to the show. Later on, the the anticipation of the move to Sirius was also good. But overall 2004-05 was a down era in the show's history.
     
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    Well that's because Shuli thought they were great and he would bleed money out of a stone if he could
    The best was Shuli acting like the block parties were successful because of HIS a planning and efforts and not the name of Howard Stern. That's when things got delusional, Shuli acting like a quality management person / gatekeeper on who could and couldn't be there for the sake of the quality of the event. Meanwhile he would of had Sal blow richard for dollar if he could of made 75 cents off it

    Shuli is truly a no talent hack and perhaps the worst sycophant of them all
     
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    I dont mind that this was reposted as Inwas thinking about this thread the other day and was wanting to re-read it. Thanks!
     
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    This should be pinned to the top of the board.
     
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    TLDR
     
  20. Ving

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    See the "Marci Turk is a damn dirty ape" thread.


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