Politics Time To Use The "Clinton" Defense, It Worked For Her!

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  1. HS Cult Leader

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    Citing Clinton, sailor seeks leniency in submarine photos case
    By Josh Gerstein

    08/15/16 06:26 AM EDT

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    Petty Officer First Class Kristian Saucier, 29, faces sentencing on a charge of retaining national defense information without authorization. | Defense filing via U.S. District Court of Connecticut



    A Navy sailor facing the possibility of years in prison for taking a handful of classified photos inside a nuclear submarine is making a bid for leniency by citing the decision not to prosecute Hillary Clinton over classified information authorities say was found in her private email account.

    Petty Officer First Class Kristian Saucier, 29, is set to be sentenced Friday on a single felony charge of retaining national defense information without permission. In May, Saucier pleaded guilty in federal court in Bridgeport, Conn., admitting that while working on the U.S.S. Alexandria in 2009 he took and kept six photos showing parts of the sub's propulsion system he knew to be classified.

    The defense and prosecutors agree that sentencing guidelines in the case call for a prison term of 63 to 78 months, but defense attorney Derrick Hogan cited the treatment of Clinton as he argued in a filing last week that Saucier should get probation instead.

    "Democratic Presidential Candidate and former Secretary of State Hilary [sic] Clinton...has come under scrutiny for engaging in acts similar to Mr. Saucier," Hogan wrote. He noted that FBI Director James Comey said 110 emails in 52 email chains in Clinton's account contained information deemed classified at the time, including eight chains with "top secret" information and 36 with "secret" information.

    "In our case, Mr. Saucier possessed six (6) photographs classified as 'confidential/restricted,' far less than Clinton's 110 emails," Hogan wrote. "It will be unjust and unfair for Mr. Saucier to receive any sentence other than probation for a crime those more powerful than him will likely avoid."


    There are distinctions between the cases. Saucier admitted as part of a plea bargain that he "knew from his training and his specialized work upon the submarine" that the photos contained classified information and he wasn't authorized to take them. He also admitted that after being confronted by law enforcement in 2012 he destroyed a laptop, camera and memory card.

    Clinton has said she didn't know any information on her server was classified, although Comey has said anyone in Clinton's position "should have known that an unclassified system was no place" for some of the subjects being discussed. While Clinton had tens of thousands of emails erased from her system in 2014, she did so with the advice of lawyers and before the FBI investigation was underway.

    Saucier's drive for leniency may ultimately benefit more from the treatment of some of his fellow submates than from the handling of cases involving Clinton or other prominent officials. Hogan cites incidents involving two other Navy sailors on the Alexandria who were caught taking photos in classified spaces on the vessel. One received a one rank reduction and was docked $560 in pay. The other was just docked $560 in pay. Both cases were handled through a Captain's Mast hearing used for relatively minor cases.

    Letters submitted on Saucier's behalf attempt to shift some of the blame to the Navy, both over the command climate for junior sailors on the Alexandria and lax policies in that era towards electronics on subs.

    "We worked them too hard, we didn't give them as much time off as we should have, we didn't treat them with the dignity and respect that they deserved, and we never let off. Ever," wrote retired Chief Machinists Mate Scott Nelson, who worked with Saucier on the Alexandria. "The men were showing signs of cracking left and right...The human pieces of the machine were being pushed past their limits."

    "I believe that we, the leadership own a significant portion of the blame for creating the environment where these men thought this was a good idea," Nelson added.

    Another former colleague of Saucier's, Ryan Meldrum, called Saucier a "war hero" and wrote that the case should have been handled in the Navy by bumping the sailor down a rank.

    "I am sorry to see that this is taking up time in Federal District Court, but I pray that this can be disposed of so as to not dissuade other patriots such as Kris from serving our great country," said Meldrum, who recent graduated from Pace University law school.

    "Kris does not deserve what he is going through....If you look at the Navy records you will see countless mishandling classified material cases where many people are still in the Navy and many more where people were asked to get out," added Mark Robb, another former submate who said he was pushed out of the Navy over a similar incident in 2014.

    Some submitting letters on Saucier's behalf attribute the relatively tough treatment he seems to be receiving to "serious" allegations his ex-wife leveled at him early in the investigation. Saucier's defense disputes a probation officer's conclusion that the sailor intended to share some of the photos with "foreign agencies," an allegation that prosecutors have not made publicly.

    Still, court records show the probation officer is recommending Saucier receive less than the five-year, three-month sentence called for by federal guidelines. The precise recommendations from the probation official and prosecutors have not been made public.

    Saucier remains in the Navy, but expects to be dismissed from the service with an "other than honorable" discharge, the defense filing said.
     
  2. Willowglen

    Willowglen Lookin thru the glass ceiling & up Stephs skirt VIP

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    I had search the article for pronouns to figure out if that was a male or female.
     
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    LOL. that's rich. They are going to humble that lady-man
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    NEVER INVOKE the Clintons when trying to avoid trouble.
     
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    Feds reject Clinton comparison in classified sub photos case
    By Josh Gerstein

    08/16/16 11:42 AM EDT

    Federal prosecutors are rejecting a Navy sailor's effort to seek leniency by comparing his taking of classified photos on a nuclear submarine to Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server authorities say contained highly-classified information.

    In a court filing late Monday night, prosecutors asked a federal judge to send Petty Officer First Class Kristian Saucier to prison for more than five years for keeping six cell-phone pictures taken inside classified spaces of the U.S.S. Alexandria in 2009.

    "The defendant is grasping at highly imaginative and speculative straws in trying to...draw a comparison to the matter of Sec. Hilary Clinton based upon virtually no understanding and knowledge of the facts involved, the information at issue, not to mention any issues if [sic] intent and knowledge," prosecutors wrote.

    Saucier's defense attorney argued in a submission last week that it would be unfair to impose a prison sentence on his client when Clinton's email account was found to contain eight chains with "Top Secret" information and 36 with "Secret" information. Prosecutors and the FBI closed that investigation last month without filing charges against Clinton or anyone else.

    The contrast is fueling longstanding complaints that senior officials accused of mishandling classified information often get little or no punishment, while more junior-ranking offenders can be hit with severe consequences.

    Saucier's defense is urging U.S. District Court Judge Stefan Underhill to give Saucier probation when he is sentenced on Friday in a Bridgeport, Conn. courtroom.

    In addition to more celebrated cases, the defense notes that two of the sailor's shipmates took similar photos in the same sub and received far more modest punishment, including a $560 docking of pay and—in one instance—a one-grade reduction in rank. One of those sailors is expected to be commissioned as an officer soon.

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    ...it will be interesting how the judge rules on this. this could turn out to be the making of a martyr. totally a rigged system for hillary to walk on these same issues.
     
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    Your guy Trump invented the rigged system. He's delivered payola to Mrs. Clinton.


    Tax forms examined by The Daily Beast show that in 2009, the Donald J. Trump Foundation gave a whopping $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation (then called the William J. Clinton Foundation). The following year, Trump’s foundation, a registered 501(c) group, gave another $10,000 to the Clinton Foundation.
     
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    ...he didnt invent it hes just another player on the chessboard.
     
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    Trump isn't just another player on the chessboard. He's delivered millions in payoffs to politicians.

    He's a filthy-rich elitist wrapping himself in the flag of the common man - and you guys are falling for it hook, line and sinker.
     
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    fuck this traitor. i hope he's old when they let him out. and military prisons are a whole different world of hurt.

    if he wanted to get away with something, his parents should have been one of our political overlords.
     
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    keep telling yourself that we are falling for something. he's not the witch. end of discussion! :hat:
     
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    Well that's a brilliant response. Got anything to back it up?

    End of discussion.
     
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    back what up? that she's a piece of garbage and that i'd vote for a cockroach before i'd vote for her?

    leftist dummies like you pretending that trump would mean terrible things but that witch cunt will be great.

    fuck you! :hat:
     
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    So the new spin is that you can't vote for the guy buying influence, but it is perfectly acceptable to vote for the politician who is selling it?
     
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    ...hes never denied it and said its a part of doing business and thats how he knows the system is rigged.
     
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    What's worse? The one who donates to a politician, or the one who gladly takes it?
     
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    I never said that Hillary was a great candidate. In fact, I have said she has serious ethical problems.

    But she and Trump are in the same boat when it comes to greasing the skids.

    I just think Clinton is way smarter and less likely to do something really screwy in the Oval Office.
     
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    Depends if you can prove quid pro quo.
     
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    Hey, a little off topic... I'm seeing all these articles about how awful it was to work for Trump and what an awful businessman he was... have you seen any articles from anyone about how great a business person he was?

    I'm willing to read because his business acumen seems to be his claim to fame.
     
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    ...hillary arranged for the sale of uranium to russia. i dont think trump would do that since hillary had to move money around thru donations and state department sweetheart deals. the boom is coming down on her and its all her own doing, more and more stuff each day and more to come.
     
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    Spare me... there's not a politician in the world who takes money for free.
     
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